A Long Overdue Update - Page 2

9u-9u-9u · 10-18-2014, 07:48 PM

Huzzah!

XPelargos · 10-18-2014, 10:07 PM

I knew I couldn't ragequit you, FF!

raum · 10-19-2014, 12:04 AM

nice!

i had asked this probably a year ago, but, can we ever expect to have exact same conc timings with tfc on ff (so that the conservative tfc players can give ff a second chance also)?

KubeDawg · 10-19-2014, 12:49 AM

I thought the timings were the same? Even if they are off by a fraction of a second, it's pretty easy to get used to in FF. This is coming from someone who played hundreds of concmaps in TFC. FF concs are, simply put, much better than TFC's concs.

**squeek.** · 10-19-2014, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by raum

nice!

i had asked this probably a year ago, but, can we ever expect to have exact same conc timings with tfc on ff (so that the conservative tfc players can give ff a second chance also)?

This sort of thing is nearly impossible to "fix", as it's extremely ambiguous/subjective. Could you either link to where you went into more detail or go into more detail about what exactly you mean?

AfterShock · 10-19-2014, 01:00 AM

He just means offsetting the grenade beeps by an average (ping*2) latency. Something like cl_grenadetimerlag 100 for 100ms delay.

To clarify, TFC starts the clientside beeps when it receives a message from server saying "you successfully primed a grenade". If the ping time is 50ms, the timer starts ~100ms(+ticktime/2) after you pressed the key.

The problem here is that the higher your ping, the earlier you have to jump in relation to the beeps. This is why TFC is so hard to conc when you switch between EU and USA servers, and why FF is superior in that regard. (Although FF still seems to be slightly ping dependent, I think that's because movement is lag compensated and grenade priming isn't)

XPelargos · 10-19-2014, 01:34 AM

Is the beep clientside? Then it could possibly have 2 beep modes sort of like it has 2 choices of visual effects.

R00Kie · 10-19-2014, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by XPelargos

Is the beep clientside? Then it could possibly have 2 beep modes sort of like it has 2 choices of visual effects.

Fortress Options > Sounds

There are like 10 beeps to choose from.

PC Fitness · 10-19-2014, 04:22 AM

So I guess this means game hosting companies could now rent FF servers? Does the current FF server installation software have a pretty GUI for all the new FF players who want to run their own ship?

**Ricey** · 10-19-2014, 05:23 AM

Squeek's brain is a jerk.

MatiZ · 10-19-2014, 01:41 PM

How long will we have to wait for any updates about Source 2013 port?

Chickenprotector · 10-19-2014, 01:52 PM

There's some massive code differences between 2006, 2007, 2013, and soon Source 2.

It's a daunting task to switch engines from what I've heard, and Squeek can prolly confirm what I'm saying.

**Elmo** · 10-19-2014, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MatiZ

How long will we have to wait for any updates about Source 2013 port?

I think it's safe to say that SOMETHING is on the cards but not even we know what route we're going to take with regards to a port/remake. We're mindful that we to make our goals achievable. As chicken says it's rather daunting and losing steam (excuse the pun) on a port/remake would suck. It's going to take some thought and planning.

I know I haven't answered your question cause I suck and am more a spectator dev than active (least for the moment). I'm keeping a close eye on all conversations which is why I've been able to reply, I'd like to jump on the band wagon soon.

XPelargos · 10-19-2014, 06:37 PM

Finish medieval_b189 first!

**squeek.** · 10-19-2014, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatiZ

How long will we have to wait for any updates about Source 2013 port?

See my dev journal.

MatiZ · 10-19-2014, 10:42 PM

Yeah, but from what I have read you're all like "in future". Also, I can't see the alpha forum so I could see all those experiments you were doing with mod.

FDA_Approved · 10-19-2014, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MatiZ

Yeah, but from what I have read you're all like "in future". Also, I can't see the alpha forum so I could see all those experiments you were doing with mod.

I think the point was that the team is really going to need 1 or 2 more dedicated coders. And even then a port will take a very long time.

**squeek.** · 10-19-2014, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MatiZ

Yeah, but from what I have read you're all like "in future". Also, I can't see the alpha forum so I could see all those experiments you were doing with mod.

That's because the port is not being worked on at the moment. We'll be open sourcing what we finished, but there aren't any plans to develop it further (for now at least).

That alpha forum is empty. The experiments I was talking about in the dev journal were part of the current game's beta, not the port; all the info about that stuff is currently in the private beta and/or dev forums.

JackBauer · 10-21-2014, 08:06 PM

Excellent news! Will defo give it a go again and hope many others will do the same.

That being said this might be the last chance of getting this game goin.
if I were you, I'd go all in and implement all cool things from your beta tests. you can't lose absolutely nothing. Worth a try imho.

AfterShock · 10-31-2014, 12:54 AM

I had a look at doing TFC-like (lagged) conc sounds in code. It's very tricky. However, it's pretty simple to just insert a bit of silence at the start of the timer wav file. You just need to work out how much silence you want (probably your TFC ping * 2, so for you raum about 180ms)

I've uploaded some examples here

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...grentimers.zip

includes 90ms, 120ms, 150ms, 180ms, 210ms, 240ms which equates to 45 ping, 60 ping, 75 ping, 90 ping, 105 ping and 120 ping

10-18-2014, 07:48 PM	#21
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10-18-2014, 10:07 PM	#22
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10-19-2014, 12:49 AM	#24
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	I thought the timings were the same? Even if they are off by a fraction of a second, it's pretty easy to get used to in FF. This is coming from someone who played hundreds of concmaps in TFC. FF concs are, simply put, much better than TFC's concs. __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete

10-19-2014, 01:00 AM	#26
AfterShock Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 45 Times	He just means offsetting the grenade beeps by an average (ping2) latency. Something like cl_grenadetimerlag 100 for 100ms delay. To clarify, TFC starts the clientside beeps when it receives a message from server saying "you successfully primed a grenade". If the ping time is 50ms, the timer starts ~100ms(+ticktime/2) after you pressed the key. The problem here is that the higher your ping, the earlier you have to jump in relation to the beeps. This is why TFC is so hard to conc when you switch between EU and USA servers, and why FF is superior in that regard. (Although FF still seems to be slightly ping dependent, I think that's because movement is lag compensated and grenade priming isn't) Last edited by AfterShock; 10-19-2014 at 12:33 PM.*
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10-19-2014, 04:22 AM	#29
PC Fitness Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Florida Class/Position: Engie Gametype: Capture The Fag. Affiliations: =NF=, HULK, (o) Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	FF Server Hosting So I guess this means game hosting companies could now rent FF servers? Does the current FF server installation software have a pretty GUI for all the new FF players who want to run their own ship? __________________ [Oz] pc http://www.ozgaming.net

10-19-2014, 12:04 AM	#23
raum D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2009 Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	nice! i had asked this probably a year ago, but, can we ever expect to have exact same conc timings with tfc on ff (so that the conservative tfc players can give ff a second chance also)?

10-19-2014, 01:34 AM	#27
XPelargos I like to spam binds Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Class/Position: Scoooooot Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 73 Times	Is the beep clientside? Then it could possibly have 2 beep modes sort of like it has 2 choices of visual effects.

10-19-2014, 05:23 AM	#30
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10-19-2014, 01:41 PM	#31
MatiZ FFcrab Join Date: May 2008 Location: Poland Class/Position: Spectator Gametype: Fragfest (Sometimes without "r".) Affiliations: LCD Posts Rated Helpful 4 Times	How long will we have to wait for any updates about Source 2013 port?

10-19-2014, 01:52 PM	#32
Chickenprotector Flamer of Worlds D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Your anus Class/Position: Pyro (O) Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	There's some massive code differences between 2006, 2007, 2013, and soon Source 2. It's a daunting task to switch engines from what I've heard, and Squeek can prolly confirm what I'm saying. __________________ Stupidity at its finest usually involves a bottle of bewz, a pack of idiots, and a gaming device.

10-19-2014, 06:37 PM	#34
XPelargos I like to spam binds Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Class/Position: Scoooooot Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 73 Times	Finish medieval_b189 first!
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10-19-2014, 10:42 PM	#36
MatiZ FFcrab Join Date: May 2008 Location: Poland Class/Position: Spectator Gametype: Fragfest (Sometimes without "r".) Affiliations: LCD Posts Rated Helpful 4 Times	Yeah, but from what I have read you're all like "in future". Also, I can't see the alpha forum so I could see all those experiments you were doing with mod.

10-21-2014, 08:06 PM	#39
JackBauer Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Switzerland Posts Rated Helpful 20 Times	Excellent news! Will defo give it a go again and hope many others will do the same. That being said this might be the last chance of getting this game goin. if I were you, I'd go all in and implement all cool things from your beta tests. you can't lose absolutely nothing. Worth a try imho. __________________ Swiss Fortress Community

10-31-2014, 12:54 AM	#40
AfterShock Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 45 Times	I had a look at doing TFC-like (lagged) conc sounds in code. It's very tricky. However, it's pretty simple to just insert a bit of silence at the start of the timer wav file. You just need to work out how much silence you want (probably your TFC ping * 2, so for you raum about 180ms) I've uploaded some examples here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...grentimers.zip includes 90ms, 120ms, 150ms, 180ms, 210ms, 240ms which equates to 45 ping, 60 ping, 75 ping, 90 ping, 105 ping and 120 ping Last edited by AfterShock; 10-31-2014 at 12:54 AM.

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