(Beta) ff_phantom_b1 ( remake )

Headz · 05-03-2015, 02:19 AM

Penn and myself have remade ff_phantom_r
map is ready for b1 testing.

YouTube

dl link
https://www.sendspace.com/file/k39hwk

Some screenshots to give an idea.

flag room

mid map

security

spawn

water midmap

water route

After some play time suggestions to improve it are most welcome.
One thing I would like to know, would most of you prefer "on touch" to disable security or keep as is "on use"

homie in reboks' · 05-03-2015, 02:29 AM

jesus christ that looks nice

Stiffy · 05-03-2015, 04:29 AM

Holy SHIT BABY! It looks like it's come straight out of one of my favorite childhood Nickelodeon shows, Legends of the Hidden Temple!!!

You guys couldn't have picked a better 'theme' to go with for this specific map and the vibe is just right baby!

Props to thy sirz Heads and Penns!

R00Kie · 05-03-2015, 05:20 AM

It's looking really nice guys. I prefer on touch buttons.

KubeDawg · 05-03-2015, 08:40 AM

Damn, plz post NSFW in your title next time you release a map this sexy.

Also, can both ontouch and onuse be used rather than either/or? If not, I'd say as long as buildables can't block it, onuse is fine.

AirTrek · 05-03-2015, 11:00 AM

SAINT POOP WHAT

I'd leave it a button that you have to press use on - just so it stays true to the original, but I think creating a poll to ask the playerbase would be a good idea

You forgot to turn of speedometer in your screenshots!

WiFiDi · 05-03-2015, 11:58 AM

finally you got around to posting this!

i honestly prefer on touch for security always. for optional things or anything that doesn't involve the security activation trigger imo.

my thoughts:
when i said you should re-texture it i definitely didn't expect you'd end up having to go the extra mile good luck guys it turned out freaking awesome even if this is the last version! (please don't do that though, it would make me sad.

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Dr.Satan · 05-04-2015, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by homie in reboks'

jesus christ that looks nice

Quote:

Originally Posted by R00Kie

I prefer on touch buttons.

_BEAN_ · 05-06-2015, 02:07 AM

Hi guys, just a couple of comments about the map. First and foremost I would like to state what I like about the map.

1. The atmosphere and feel of the map is great. Your lighting has improved from your previous efforts. Ballfort and this remake are great.

2. The textures are fantastic. They are really well done and love the brush trim work. The design of the stairs is great.

3. The models are great. The vegetation and attention to detail on that front makes this map so much better than the original.

There are a few things I feel need to be worked on though.

1. The ramp coming in from the water is not clipped completely, so when you conc on it you get tossed into the air.

2. Could you change the support model dimensions that are located right outside the top respawn? When I was coming around that corner I was running into it constantly. Bringing the post in say one click of 8, and it should be perfect.

Other than these two issues I think the map is perfect. Thanks for your efforts. It was a job well done.

Headz · 05-06-2015, 02:43 AM

dl link in first post plus a small vid.

main ramp is clipped and Penn has made his displacements there have no hull, so should be smooth sailing/concing

caesium · 05-06-2015, 11:40 AM

Nice work, looks great.

Always touch buttons please!

Only slight criticism is personally I'm not a fan of stairs clipped to be ramps (mainly because it looks weird when in use), especially larger ones, but they certainly look cool the way you've done them and I'm probably in the minority... Also, something related I've thought for a while (but not specific to this map as I wouldn't suggesting for a moment changing any of the original ramps into stairs) is that stairs as stairs are an underused part of FF map design in general.

Really good job - looking forward to playing it now

FDA_Approved · 05-07-2015, 04:18 AM

Definitely looks very nice, lot of great detail.

I don't really mind converting the ramps into clipped stairs, it adds a nice variety to the visuals. However I'm not a fan of taking the pre-existing stairs and clipping them into ramps. Phantom is already an offensive water slide, big and open with plenty of in-n-out opportunities. The stairs created sort of "speed bumps" or "problem areas" for the flag. It's supposed to be bad to get the flag caught on the stairs next to button. You take a bit away from that by being able to conc or trimp flag out of button stairs, or by being able to ramp slide up spawn stairs to take out spawn guns.

Not really sure what these little ledges are for:
http://i.imgur.com/vgK6omq.jpg

Kind of weird that you clipped the little ramps in water tunnel. I like them the old way, it provides a little more wiggle room to avoid spam down there, and you could also down trimp conc off of them.

Also thought it was kind of funny that despite your general distaste for the wedges at FD you actually made them slightly more obtrusive, though the ceiling of the door frames is a little taller so I suppose it's a bit of a trade off.

Hallway at top exit had a corner chamfered. Makes concing through there a little easier, though the doorway is smaller, so a bit of a trade off. Though it also really widens the LOS through that hall from most angles.

caesium · 05-07-2015, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FDA_Approved

However I'm not a fan of taking the pre-existing stairs and clipping them into ramps.

I completely agree (hadn't realised you'd changed any of the original stairs into ramps - still not had a chance to try it ingame yet...).

AirTrek · 05-07-2015, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FDA_Approved

However I'm not a fan of taking the pre-existing stairs and clipping them into ramps. Phantom is already an offensive water slide, big and open with plenty of in-n-out opportunities. The stairs created sort of "speed bumps" or "problem areas" for the flag. It's supposed to be bad to get the flag caught on the stairs next to button. You take a bit away from that by being able to conc or trimp flag out of button stairs, or by being able to ramp slide up spawn stairs to take out spawn guns.

Kind of weird that you clipped the little ramps in water tunnel. I like them the old way, it provides a little more wiggle room to avoid spam down there, and you could also down trimp conc off of them.

I agree with FDA - sweeeeeet work on the map you two! The theme is awesome, albeit I think the map could just be a bit brighter (might be my gamma settings).

There are 2 minor buffs for offense which I dislike - these are the spawn/button stairs being turned into ramps and the water tunnel having clip around the walls. Having clip in the water tunnel makes it slightly easier to escape with the flag because you can be sure that you won't run into the protruding trims and can just wallstrafe along the invisible wall.

some spots that need to be tidied up:
http://images.akamai.steamuserconten...2A6A12C53103F/
http://images.akamai.steamuserconten...D48E8D37B07BD/

Headz · 05-07-2015, 11:43 PM

New vid, see first post, or look here

YouTube

Visual improvements will follow and we are currently adressing some concerns on the clipped stairs etc.
Many thanks for all your feedback via forums and pm, we appreciate your input, there of course will be some differences compared to ff_phantom_r but mostly the remake will remian faithful, but is very hard to please everyone so the main ramp and midmap stairs will remain clipped.

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AirTrek Freedom of Movement Join Date: Apr 2014 Gametype: Attack and Defend Posts Rated Helpful 21 Times	SAINT POOP WHAT I'd leave it a button that you have to press use on - just so it stays true to the original, but I think creating a poll to ask the playerbase would be a good idea You forgot to turn of speedometer in your screenshots! __________________ ˙·٠•●My customs●•٠·˙ /=/ Shotty /=/ GrenLauncher /=/ Gloves /=/ SShotty (by FDA/edited by me) /=/ Nailgun /=/ Last edited by AirTrek; 05-03-2015 at 11:03 AM.

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WiFiDi Beta Tester Join Date: May 2010 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: Capture the Flag is there any other Posts Rated Helpful 26 Times	finally you got around to posting this! i honestly prefer on touch for security always. for optional things or anything that doesn't involve the security activation trigger imo. my thoughts: when i said you should re-texture it i definitely didn't expect you'd end up having to go the extra mile good luck guys it turned out freaking awesome even if this is the last version! (please don't do that though, it would make me sad. ) __________________ WiFi's Stream Support FF: Failure is always an option. It's a happy massacre?! (yes, yes it is!) To make most awesome thing in universe combine Bears and Nicholas Cage! and remember kids, we didn't start the flame-war! Last edited by WiFiDi; 05-03-2015 at 12:08 PM.

05-03-2015, 04:29 AM	#3
Stiffy Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: That sunshine 1 Posts Rated Helpful 8 Times	Holy SHIT BABY! It looks like it's come straight out of one of my favorite childhood Nickelodeon shows, Legends of the Hidden Temple!!! You guys couldn't have picked a better 'theme' to go with for this specific map and the vibe is just right baby! Props to thy sirz Heads and Penns!

05-06-2015, 02:07 AM	#9
_BEAN_ Join Date: Mar 2015 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Hi guys, just a couple of comments about the map. First and foremost I would like to state what I like about the map. 1. The atmosphere and feel of the map is great. Your lighting has improved from your previous efforts. Ballfort and this remake are great. 2. The textures are fantastic. They are really well done and love the brush trim work. The design of the stairs is great. 3. The models are great. The vegetation and attention to detail on that front makes this map so much better than the original. There are a few things I feel need to be worked on though. 1. The ramp coming in from the water is not clipped completely, so when you conc on it you get tossed into the air. 2. Could you change the support model dimensions that are located right outside the top respawn? When I was coming around that corner I was running into it constantly. Bringing the post in say one click of 8, and it should be perfect. Other than these two issues I think the map is perfect. Thanks for your efforts. It was a job well done.

05-06-2015, 02:43 AM	#10
Headz Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: England Posts Rated Helpful 81 Times	dl link in first post plus a small vid. main ramp is clipped and Penn has made his displacements there have no hull, so should be smooth sailing/concing __________________ Compile error: Leaf portal saw into Cluster Phuck

05-06-2015, 11:40 AM	#11
caesium Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: europe Class/Position: anything Gametype: everything Affiliations: #teamfail Posts Rated Helpful 27 Times	Nice work, looks great. Always touch buttons please! Only slight criticism is personally I'm not a fan of stairs clipped to be ramps (mainly because it looks weird when in use), especially larger ones, but they certainly look cool the way you've done them and I'm probably in the minority... Also, something related I've thought for a while (but not specific to this map as I wouldn't suggesting for a moment changing any of the original ramps into stairs) is that stairs as stairs are an underused part of FF map design in general. Really good job - looking forward to playing it now __________________ Support FF:

05-07-2015, 04:18 AM	#12
FDA_Approved Beta Tester Join Date: Nov 2011 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 293 Times	Definitely looks very nice, lot of great detail. I don't really mind converting the ramps into clipped stairs, it adds a nice variety to the visuals. However I'm not a fan of taking the pre-existing stairs and clipping them into ramps. Phantom is already an offensive water slide, big and open with plenty of in-n-out opportunities. The stairs created sort of "speed bumps" or "problem areas" for the flag. It's supposed to be bad to get the flag caught on the stairs next to button. You take a bit away from that by being able to conc or trimp flag out of button stairs, or by being able to ramp slide up spawn stairs to take out spawn guns. Not really sure what these little ledges are for: http://i.imgur.com/vgK6omq.jpg Kind of weird that you clipped the little ramps in water tunnel. I like them the old way, it provides a little more wiggle room to avoid spam down there, and you could also down trimp conc off of them. Also thought it was kind of funny that despite your general distaste for the wedges at FD you actually made them slightly more obtrusive, though the ceiling of the door frames is a little taller so I suppose it's a bit of a trade off. Hallway at top exit had a corner chamfered. Makes concing through there a little easier, though the doorway is smaller, so a bit of a trade off. Though it also really widens the LOS through that hall from most angles. __________________ Currently equipped: Rad Scarf of liberating happiness. Last edited by FDA_Approved; 05-07-2015 at 04:19 AM.

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