Take out sniper class

[Ventry(Leo Wainker)]

Originally Posted by CHURCHMOUTH

skillet u need to rethink that last post. he does not play the game PERIOD

Amen to that.
I play.
He doesn't.
I also don't always play sniper. In fact I only play sniper on certain maps (sometimes).
In fact I rarely play sniper these days BUT, I still like to play sniper every now and then.

You cannot question my commitment to play this mod. How many of you would be willing to play on a foreign server with a 200-300 ping??
Not many I daresay.

[Skillet]

Originally Posted by CHURCHMOUTH

skillet u need to rethink that last post. he does not play the game PERIOD

only because talos's server forces a higher dx level he can play at, I am sure he would contribute greatly if his computer did not freeze. His thoughts are well thought out and would be a contribution to this game and development team I would imagine.

[Iggy]

I play the game occasionally, and I spread my gameplay out amonst most classes(it helps to be familiar with all classes when you're in the Beta). Even I have said that the Sniper needs some corrections. I have suggest a few, and supported other suggestions. Removing the Sniper(or any other class for that matter) is NOT one of them.

Personally, something that has been altered about the Spy is something I'm not on board with... but at this point, I can't say what(disclosure, you know).

All that notwithstanding, I enjoy the game... and while Bridget can make excuses 'til pigs fly, it still doesn't change the fact that he doesn't play. You can't make an educated evaluation of the game, if you don't play it.

[Bridget]

Originally Posted by Iggy

All that notwithstanding, I enjoy the game... and while Bridget can make excuses 'til pigs fly, it still doesn't change the fact that he doesn't play. You can't make an educated evaluation of the game, if you don't play it.

I have experience playing the game. A year or two of experience. In case you forgot, Fortress Forever doesn't change dramatically from year to year for someone to think not actively playing the game voids one of constructive criticism. I have been playing the same fucking game for a while now. I have dealt with the problems for years now.

Also, what if the reasons I don't play, hardware problems aside, happen to be because of evaluations of the game? Didn't you think of that? No, you didn't, because you're intellectually bankrupt. All of this "You don't play the game." bullshit is nothing but red-herring ad-hominem. Attack my character instead of my points, make any excuses necessary to ignore them or devalue them.

So, until Fortress Forever starts rolling out patches biweekly and changes dramatically over the course of a mere month, don't come at me with that "You can't have an opinion on this game." cop-out. Simple fact is, too, someone can play every minute of every day and still not understand the problems. That's because thinking expertise is contingent upon experience and that experience will always produce expertise is illogical fallacious thinking.

By the way, I have used this example before. If you are so fixed upon this idea that one must experience something before he can voice an opinion on it, then start rethinking your entire life. Think murder is immoral? How could you? Haven't experienced it! Think there's going to be a party in the sky after you die? Nope! You haven't died yet, so how can you dare have an opinion. See how dumb you are? Really dumb.

But, for the record, I played Fortress Forever from the moment I woke up to the moments before I went to bed for a year or two. So, if anything, I'm more qualified than almost every person here, developers included. Yeah, having your own qualifications used against you is a bitch, isn't it? I bet they don't mean shit now, huh?

[CHURCHMOUTH]

your more experienced than most people here? but u cry about snipers instead of going soldier and rocket nading across the map and killing them !?!?!?

[Bridget]

Originally Posted by CHURCHMOUTH

your more experienced than most people here? but u cry about snipers instead of going soldier and rocket nading across the map and killing them !?!?!?

I never said I had any problems with Snipers. I said they were too advantageous and broke the consistency amongst classes when it came to range. If you knew more than how to add to a pickup, you would have already understood this.

[CHURCHMOUTH]

yah all i can do is add to pickups.. that 1 more thing than u can do

[Bridget]

Prove it.

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by Bridget

Herr herr herr hurpa durpa durpa

Did you say something? I must have missed it.

[Skillet]

Originally Posted by Bridget

I never said I had any problems with Snipers. I said they were too advantageous and broke the consistency amongst classes when it came to range. If you knew more than how to add to a pickup, you would have already understood this.

Bridget comon, exo is cool and has a really cool voice super nice guy.

[NeonLight]

Hey Skillet, ask exo to sing Miley Cyrus, he does an amazing job. I'm really jealous

[Bridget]

Originally Posted by Iggy

Did you say something? I must have missed it.

Spend more time listening and less time failing.

[Crazycarl]

Next time someone says "listen to the community", I'm going to think of this thread.

[Raynian]

Originally Posted by Bridget

Prove it.

Burden of proof fallacy.

Like asking exo to prove that Santa exists, you told him to prove that he's a better player than you - except that you don't/can't/whatever play, thus making it impossible. You rely on that impossibility to strengthen your argument.

But it's invalid anyways.

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by Bridget

Spend more time listening and less time failing.

Actually, you're the failing one. But we've been over this before. I don't see the point of wasting any more time on you at this point. Maybe after you PLAY the game, I'll give you the benefit of my precious time... until then....

[Bridget]

Originally Posted by Raynian

Burden of proof fallacy.

Like asking exo to prove that Santa exists, you told him to prove that he's a better player than you - except that you don't/can't/whatever play, thus making it impossible. You rely on that impossibility to strengthen your argument.

But it's invalid anyways.

"Prove it" is simply another version of "tl;dr". But if you want to be serious about this, the argument was not on whether he is a better player than me. He said that even if the only thing he was capable of was adding to pickups, then that would still be one thing he could do over me. If he can only do one thing, and that one thing is more than I can do, then he is essentially claiming that I can do nothing at all. The burden of proof is on him to prove that I can do nothing at all. I could prove him wrong by doing something, but I don't have to, because I didn't make the claim.

@Iggy: Cool story, bro.

[Raynian]

Bridget changing the context of previous posts and strawmanning his way out of owning up to a mistake?

HOLY PENIS, WHAT A SCOOP!

[CHURCHMOUTH]

HANDS UP THEY'RE PLAYIN MY SONG
THE BUTTERFLIES FLY AWAY
NODDIN' MY HEAD LIKE YEAHHHHH
MOVIN' MY HIPS LIKE YEAHHHHH
HANDS UP THEY'RE PLAYIN MY SONG
YOU KNOW IM GUNNA BE OK
YEAHH YEAHH YEAHHHH
THERES A PARTY IN THE USA

[Bridget]

Originally Posted by Raynian

Bridget changing the context of previous posts and strawmanning his way out of owning up to a mistake?

HOLY PENIS, WHAT A SCOOP!

Oh, I'm sorry, was my logical argument too rough for you? Sorry, chump.

[Bridget]

P.S. Your entire post was a strawman. I already told you why you were incorrect. The "prove it" remark was about Exo's comment implying that even if he could only do one thing, it would be more than me, meaning I can could be capable of nothing. That had nothing to do with who is better than who in a video game. I don't know where you got that idea. My response clarified the situation (muddled up by your obvious disabilities when it comes to reading comprehension) by telling you the actual context of the remark, and when it didn't match up with your strawman of the remark, you then fallaciously concluded that it was my clarification that was the strawman.

So in short, you dun logically goof'd.