(Released) FF_Propinquity_B3 (December 19th)

Green Mushy · 11-09-2010, 12:45 AM

I have some time off this month and i thought i would take a crack at another map. Gameplay is heavily inspired by one of my more favored CTF maps. Who knows which one? Textures are from dystopia. Thanks to exo, neon, and rookie for early alpha feedback, and always thanks to squeek. I just wanted to rush a beta to see how it plays, but I plan on working on it throughout the rest of the month. Im very open to feedback from pickup players on balance issues, so get ur suggestions in asap.

Download Link: ( Newest ) http://www.ffpickup.com/files/ff_propinquity_b3.zip

( Old )http://www.ffpickup.com/files/ff_propinquity_b2.zip

( Old )http://www.ffpickup.com/files/ff_propinquity_b1.zip

B3 changes:
-Resupply bag rework. Added a metal only pack under the engi ramps. It has 100 metal, no H/A. Changed the middle resupply back(the one in the middle of the ramps) to 50 metal. This is so there is more decision making about taking that pack as engineer, and provide a closer pack to more easily rebuild.
-Slight spawn location tweak, just moved some back a little bit.
-Added a team only elevator so defenders can get back to the third level more easily after losing the flag in the main room.
-Added some rafters above the large ramp so attackers cant fly high above the defenders heads.
-Player clipped the flagroom ledges.
-Turned the ramp/stairs into STAIRS. I feel i was making it too easy for attackers to conc out of the flagroom, and i wasnt fully adhering to one of my design goals of: make it easy to get INTO the flagroom, but harder to get out. With stairs, it forces players to walk up them, and gives the D a fair chance to stop flag motion, which will strike more balance and fun.
-Added a yard thing. This is to block some line of sight for chasing attackers, offer an aesthetic breaking up of the flat yard, provide a location to plant a jumppad on for double jumppad combo setups, and force players to be more careful about which route they want to use to conc over the midmap.

B2 changes:
-Resupply packs in spawns/lower resup have 130 metal up from 100.
-Security time up to 32 seconds from 24
-Fixed bsp so classes spawn in their correct locations ( hopefully )
-All stairs are player clipped so they act as ramps
-You still get stuck in the lasers if you stand inside them when they go up. I just dont like the solutions other maps have used, and my solution is fine with me for now. Stay away from the lasers!

An Updated picture of B2:

Picture of the rafters:

GenghisTron · 11-09-2010, 01:17 AM

Looks sexy.

As for what map inspired it... I'm gonna go with.... dropflag? Or maybe hollow?

aware · 11-09-2010, 01:30 AM

seems like phantom

Iggy · 11-09-2010, 01:38 AM

Looks VERY sexy! I'd go with a cross between Ravelin(TFC) and Openfire(TFC/FF)

CHURCHMOUTH · 11-09-2010, 04:34 AM

warpath imo

moosh · 11-09-2010, 04:36 AM

Openfire?

raum · 11-09-2010, 08:10 AM

2fort ofc .)

looks neat
wp

**Elmo** · 11-09-2010, 09:49 AM

looks great! x

NeonLight · 11-09-2010, 02:06 PM

reminds me of Arendal_l_rc1

Green Mushy · 11-16-2010, 01:57 AM

The map it's based off is phantom and it obviously plays better! B2 released. Ill continue to add stuff to it and tweak for the next 2 weeks.

Icculus · 11-18-2010, 02:02 AM

Played this today at ze palace and had alot of fun as offy scout once I figured out where the security button was.

Fast paced game play and large open areas for concing. The textures blend together a little bit too much for my taste but definitely a map i'd play again.

Well done!

-Icculus

Hammock · 11-18-2010, 03:08 PM

The only pickup I played this in was I think one of the first time anyone played it. It was low scoring, not sure if that's because nobody knew the map, or because thats the way the map plays. But it was lots of fun, lots of cool stuff you could do as a scout.

Playing it in a pub is a bit rough though cause there aren't enough packs throughout the map to actually play defense anywhere but the flag room, since the yard is pretty small offense gets to the front of your base too quickly to really setup anything.

1 pack around the cap point would solve a lot of problems for pub play, cause then an engy could atleast do something in that front room. Cause as it stands now the closest pack available to him there is in the respawn and that's a long run for a pub engy. The pack doesn't even need to give hp/armor since the respawn is soo close healing the heavier classes isn't the issue.

I also like that since all the entrances are visible from the button, I was able to viabley play a 1v1 last night. So that's pretty cool that it can also be used for a 1v1 and 2v2 along with a 4v4.

Green Mushy · 12-20-2010, 03:30 AM

B3 update. Info in the OP.

**Elmo** · 12-20-2010, 10:46 AM

btw mushy I wanted to say I played b2 yesterday, for the first time in zePalace and thought it was absolutely fantastic. Great work in terms of EVERYTHING. Originality, playability and style. I was really impressed.

Green Mushy · 12-20-2010, 11:43 AM

I appreciate that elmo

.
Maybe im getting better at this!

**Elmo** · 12-20-2010, 12:03 PM

I really was in a jaw dropped state most of the time. Seemed so very crazy in style design yet perfectly designed in what was available to do on offence. I didn't expect it but found lots I could do differently each run.

Majesty · 12-20-2010, 04:17 PM

This map is something that stuck in my head after the first time I played it. But, because the name is so weird, it took me FOREVER to find it. I was also pronouncing it wrong the whole time.

What are your thoughts on clip-brushing stairs? Do you think there could be some way to clue the player as to which is which without them sacrificing their life to find out?

I really like this map, btw, and I recommend everyone who likes CTF to check it out.

Lynus · 12-20-2010, 05:04 PM

I like the map but personally liked b2 better

Great job!

11-09-2010, 12:45 AM	#1
Green Mushy Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	FF_Propinquity_B3 (December 19th) I have some time off this month and i thought i would take a crack at another map. Gameplay is heavily inspired by one of my more favored CTF maps. Who knows which one? Textures are from dystopia. Thanks to exo, neon, and rookie for early alpha feedback, and always thanks to squeek. I just wanted to rush a beta to see how it plays, but I plan on working on it throughout the rest of the month. Im very open to feedback from pickup players on balance issues, so get ur suggestions in asap. Download Link: ( Newest ) http://www.ffpickup.com/files/ff_propinquity_b3.zip ( Old )http://www.ffpickup.com/files/ff_propinquity_b2.zip ( Old )http://www.ffpickup.com/files/ff_propinquity_b1.zip B3 changes: -Resupply bag rework. Added a metal only pack under the engi ramps. It has 100 metal, no H/A. Changed the middle resupply back(the one in the middle of the ramps) to 50 metal. This is so there is more decision making about taking that pack as engineer, and provide a closer pack to more easily rebuild. -Slight spawn location tweak, just moved some back a little bit. -Added a team only elevator so defenders can get back to the third level more easily after losing the flag in the main room. -Added some rafters above the large ramp so attackers cant fly high above the defenders heads. -Player clipped the flagroom ledges. -Turned the ramp/stairs into STAIRS. I feel i was making it too easy for attackers to conc out of the flagroom, and i wasnt fully adhering to one of my design goals of: make it easy to get INTO the flagroom, but harder to get out. With stairs, it forces players to walk up them, and gives the D a fair chance to stop flag motion, which will strike more balance and fun. -Added a yard thing. This is to block some line of sight for chasing attackers, offer an aesthetic breaking up of the flat yard, provide a location to plant a jumppad on for double jumppad combo setups, and force players to be more careful about which route they want to use to conc over the midmap. B2 changes: -Resupply packs in spawns/lower resup have 130 metal up from 100. -Security time up to 32 seconds from 24 -Fixed bsp so classes spawn in their correct locations ( hopefully ) -All stairs are player clipped so they act as ramps -You still get stuck in the lasers if you stand inside them when they go up. I just dont like the solutions other maps have used, and my solution is fine with me for now. Stay away from the lasers! An Updated picture of B2: Picture of the rafters: Last edited by Green Mushy; 12-20-2010 at 03:30 AM.

11-09-2010, 01:17 AM	#2
GenghisTron AKA LittleAndroidMan D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dystopia Class/Position: Demo/Medic Gametype: CTF Affiliations: [TALOS] [SR] Posts Rated Helpful 11 Times	Looks sexy. As for what map inspired it... I'm gonna go with.... dropflag? Or maybe hollow? __________________ The Catacombs Steam Last.fm

11-09-2010, 04:34 AM	#5
CHURCHMOUTH crystaLcity D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Class/Position: Soldier D Gametype: Capture the Flag Affiliations: Goodfellas Posts Rated Helpful 7 Times	warpath imo __________________ 83745 L0LZ ff_nyx_b2 ff_schrape_b3 ff_security_b1 ff_baked_b2 ff_reloaded_b1 ff_mulch_dm_b2 ff_oppose_b1

11-09-2010, 09:49 AM	#8
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	looks great! x __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999)

11-09-2010, 02:06 PM	#9
NeonLight NeoNL Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Boston, Mass Class/Position: Soldier, Medic Gametype: AvD Affiliations: +M\|M+ -RS Posts Rated Helpful 170 Times	reminds me of Arendal_l_rc1 __________________ Stream(720p 60FPS) Recover Montage Fidd_l SpiderX Zutalors_B2 Quark_Classic DM2_MGE NeoN's Config Emporium

11-09-2010, 01:30 AM	#3
aware D&A Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	seems like phantom

11-09-2010, 04:36 AM	#6
moosh WhenNailGrenWillOut? Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Gametype: mp_prematch Affiliations: [:)] - Frag Happy, babe\| Posts Rated Helpful 29 Times	Openfire?

11-09-2010, 08:10 AM	#7
raum D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2009 Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	2fort ofc .) looks neat wp

11-16-2010, 01:57 AM	#10
Green Mushy Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	The map it's based off is phantom and it obviously plays better! B2 released. Ill continue to add stuff to it and tweak for the next 2 weeks.

11-18-2010, 02:02 AM	#11
Icculus D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Hampshire Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Played this today at ze palace and had alot of fun as offy scout once I figured out where the security button was. Fast paced game play and large open areas for concing. The textures blend together a little bit too much for my taste but definitely a map i'd play again. Well done! -Icculus

11-18-2010, 03:08 PM	#12
Hammock D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 13 Times	The only pickup I played this in was I think one of the first time anyone played it. It was low scoring, not sure if that's because nobody knew the map, or because thats the way the map plays. But it was lots of fun, lots of cool stuff you could do as a scout. Playing it in a pub is a bit rough though cause there aren't enough packs throughout the map to actually play defense anywhere but the flag room, since the yard is pretty small offense gets to the front of your base too quickly to really setup anything. 1 pack around the cap point would solve a lot of problems for pub play, cause then an engy could atleast do something in that front room. Cause as it stands now the closest pack available to him there is in the respawn and that's a long run for a pub engy. The pack doesn't even need to give hp/armor since the respawn is soo close healing the heavier classes isn't the issue. I also like that since all the entrances are visible from the button, I was able to viabley play a 1v1 last night. So that's pretty cool that it can also be used for a 1v1 and 2v2 along with a 4v4.

12-20-2010, 03:30 AM	#13
Green Mushy Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	B3 update. Info in the OP.

12-20-2010, 10:46 AM	#14
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	btw mushy I wanted to say I played b2 yesterday, for the first time in zePalace and thought it was absolutely fantastic. Great work in terms of EVERYTHING. Originality, playability and style. I was really impressed. __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999) Last edited by Elmo; 12-20-2010 at 10:46 AM.

12-20-2010, 11:43 AM	#15
Green Mushy Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	I appreciate that elmo . Maybe im getting better at this!

12-20-2010, 12:03 PM	#16
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	I really was in a jaw dropped state most of the time. Seemed so very crazy in style design yet perfectly designed in what was available to do on offence. I didn't expect it but found lots I could do differently each run. __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999)

12-20-2010, 04:17 PM	#17
Majesty D&A Member Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: USA, Ohio Class/Position: Scout Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	This map is something that stuck in my head after the first time I played it. But, because the name is so weird, it took me FOREVER to find it. I was also pronouncing it wrong the whole time. What are your thoughts on clip-brushing stairs? Do you think there could be some way to clue the player as to which is which without them sacrificing their life to find out? I really like this map, btw, and I recommend everyone who likes CTF to check it out.

12-20-2010, 05:04 PM	#18
Lynus I like Ceyx Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: MI Posts Rated Helpful 11 Times	I like the map but personally liked b2 better Great job! __________________ hef

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