Planned 2.5 split to make a 2.42 update

**Elmo** · 01-06-2011, 05:50 PM

For those of you who don't read the forums you will have missed a lot of talk over the past year. We apologise for our lack of attention to this news page and accept that it could seem as though we've abandoned the FF project. However this is NOT the case!

We are still very much active and are continuing to evolve and improve Fortress Forever.

What was planned

We have been testing a lot of big changes for the upcoming 2.5 patch--adding new weapons and even going as far as completely changing how some classes operate. Some of those changes will make the cut, and some won't, but we realized that there are a number of small changes and bug fixes that we want to release. Hence, the 2.42 patch.

Where we're at right now

Squeek and Dexter have been working very hard merging changes from our beta build and have, as of last night, got it up to date so that we can shortly begin testing release builds.

There are a few (four or five) changes which are still up for debate as to their inclusion in this patch.

Can we have some idea of what to expect in the 2.42 patch?

Here's a taste:

You no longer lose a kill for suiciding.
Added soft-clipping of friendly players. This means no bumping into your allies and missing that conc (you can still stack on their heads, if that's your thing).
No longer will your crosshair betray you: Your crosshair disappears when you are concussed. The true crosshair (where you are actually firing) now flashes upon firing a weapon.
The scout's jump pad can now only be used by friendly players (with a team-colored paint job to reflect that fact). Enemies can damage and destroy them, but they regenerate health when left alone.
Due to recent U.N. mandates regarding biological weapons (“we really mean it this time”), we thought the days of the infection were numbered. However our crack team of lawyers thankfully discovered a loophole. The medic's infection wears off after a set amount of time. It will bring players to 1hp, but won't kill them. When the infection wears off, the lost health returns.
HWGuy now has a secondary attack called the "overpressure". Use it to push nearby enemies away where you can safely fill them full of lead.
New map ff_warpath will be released! Fight your way through this pristine desert valley, capturing each command point until you are at the enemy's doorstep.

That's only a portion of what we have in store, so watch this space for the full change log coming in a few weeks.

the soldier's new laser grenade can lock down a narrow corridor, but won't fill the entire room with projectiles.

ff_warpath

So what's happening to these 'considerable changes' & the 2.5 patch?

Some of the changes we like, but are waiting for further testing, appropriate models, and textures or coding in some required changes. Some items will be cut in the end, but 2.5 will contain some rdical new changes that we've been having a lot of fun with.

If you want to help get this next patch out the door, consider joining the beta team! We are always looking for active players who can attend tests and give good feedback. Apply in the forums. If you have developer skills such as SDK coding, modelling, animation, or level design, see our jobs page.

moosh · 01-06-2011, 06:00 PM

Finally, a news post!

Raynian · 01-06-2011, 06:05 PM

Looks pretty solid as a whole. Soft-clipping is probably a good thing, changes to the jump pad are nice, infection changes are great, and I definitely want to see this HW change. Warpath is amazing, of course.

Not so sure about the change to the conc effect, though....hm.

**Elmo** · 01-06-2011, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moosh

Finally, a news post!

Blog/dev journal from me should be pretty damn soon.

NeonLight · 01-06-2011, 06:07 PM

Yay Elmo you're the best!

**Elmo** · 01-06-2011, 06:17 PM

I snuck in a warpath image.

moosh · 01-06-2011, 06:20 PM

I'd just like to say that the soft-clipping is AMAZING.

edit: Props to elmo for writing this beast of a news post.

**Elmo** · 01-06-2011, 06:39 PM

was myself and carl with some help from episkopos

Icculus · 01-06-2011, 07:24 PM

Most of those changes look sweet! Definitely excited to try this out.

BTW,
In the post on the front page, both of the links you posted (beta application and jobs page) only point to www.fortress-forever.com/

-Icculus

Hammock · 01-06-2011, 10:10 PM

Sounds pretty cool, I can't wait to play warpath.

How does the HW push thing work? Is it going to push a concer backwards mid conc? Or does it only affect people moving a certain speed? (ie: someone who's just standing infront of you shooting you and stuff?). Is it directional like a single target? Cone shape capable of hitting a couple guys in the direction you're facing? 360 degrees on the horizontal plane? Or spherical effecting anyone in the bubble it creates?

Is it a big enough and strong enough push that if you used it on a scout who's about to conc, and just before his conc goes off you pushed him away from you and sent him in a backwards motion his conc goes off and his conc continues moving him in that backwards motion? Essentially making concers conc backwards.

Does it work on teammates? And if so, would it accelerate things like concs. As in a HW stands behind a scout and they time it so the HW pushes the scout just before the conc goes off and his conc becomes stronger because he's at a higher speed. This would be a lot of fun, it's always entertaining working together with other classes to try and do some cool stuff, and HW boost + scout concs would definately be pretty cool just to fool around with, or it could actually be usefull say on maps like palermo where you could get scouts concing to extreme heights and distances.

I like the team based jp's that's the way it should've been from the start. How much dmg does it take to destroy one ? Lets say in terms of rockets 1,2,3,4+ rockets?

For the medpack thing, is the amount restored after the infection brings you down to 1hp cumulative, and capable of going above 100% hp's? Say you get infected at 50 health , but you keep grabbing health packs, and by the time you get to 1 hp it's done a total of 125damage to you, would it pump you up to 125 hp's?

Iggy · 01-06-2011, 10:18 PM

Since the Laser-Nade has been revealed, I'm going to publicly put my $.02 out there about it.

It's a great improvement over the Nail Nade. No bullshit. It floats above the floor like the nail nade, emits the 3 lasers, and spins, covering the area of effect. Then, the lasers retract, and the nade vanishes... it does not explode.

It's not an "instagib" weapon, but will deal you damage if you're caught in it. It is also possible to avoid the beams, if you time your movement properly.

GenghisTron · 01-06-2011, 11:07 PM

Great news post Elmo, it's perfect.

reaper18 · 01-07-2011, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iggy

Since the Laser-Nade has been revealed, I'm going to publicly put my $.02 out there about it.

It's a great improvement over the Nail Nade. No bullshit. It floats above the floor like the nail nade, emits the 3 lasers, and spins, covering the area of effect. Then, the lasers retract, and the nade vanishes... it does not explode.

It's not an "instagib" weapon, but will deal you damage if you're caught in it. It is also possible to avoid the beams, if you time your movement properly.

Agreed, although id say it needs a different look

Billy2600 · 01-07-2011, 12:25 AM

Soft clipping? Fuck yes.

Iggy · 01-07-2011, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reaper18

Agreed, although id say it needs a different look

I think they used the nail-nade model as a place-holder. Anyone who wants to work on this should apply to do so.

Gwarsbane · 01-07-2011, 02:30 AM

I don't like the change to the medic. I'd rather see the damage double every 3 to 5 seconds till it kills you or a medic heals you. We're gonna see less people playing medic. Its hard enough already to get a medic to help.

I also don't like the pass through. I can see a bunch of people gathering around the flag to block people from being able to reach it because they can't get through them. I also just think that passing through your own team is silly.

I like the HW bounce. Hes big enough he should be able to bounce people away, not far but enough. I can also see that as being very helpful if hes defending the flag or a button.

I like the laser grenade.

I like the changes to the jump pad.

And been waiting for warpath for a while.

Bridget · 01-07-2011, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwarsbane

I don't like the change to the medic. I'd rather see the damage double every 3 to 5 seconds till it kills you or a medic heals you. We're gonna see less people playing medic. Its hard enough already to get a medic to help.

Oh no, Fortress Forever has lost a handful of troll-Medics that run around mindlessly with the medkit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwarsbane

I also don't like the pass through. I can see a bunch of people gathering around the flag to block people from being able to reach it because they can't get through them. I also just think that passing through your own team is silly.

If it works like the clipping in Team Fortress 2, players can't stand in one spot together, and are pushed away from one another if standing still. Even if they could, how impractical would this tactic be? Make your entire team an easier target.

Pixel · 01-07-2011, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwarsbane

also don't like the pass through. I can see a bunch of people gathering around the flag to block people from being able to reach it because they can't get through them. I also just think that passing through your own team is silly.

Can somebody decipher the meaning of this for me? Running into your teammates is extremely annoying. Soft clipping is a very good thing.

The old medkit had no purpose other than to annoy people.

Bridget · 01-07-2011, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pixel

Can somebody decipher the meaning of this for me? Running into your teammates is extremely annoying. Soft clipping is a very good thing.

The old medkit had no purpose other than to annoy people.

He's basically saying that, because team-mates can pass through one another, a bunch of them will get together and stand on the enemy flag and create some impenetrable wall to prevent the other team from grabbing it. If only the flag hitbox wasn't as big as an xbox.

Pixel · 01-07-2011, 03:39 AM

Wouldn't soft clipping make that even less effective? Both standing in the same spot = less area blocked.

Edit: Not that it even matters. Nobody is going to even try to do this.

01-06-2011, 05:50 PM	#1
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	Planned 2.5 split to make a 2.42 update For those of you who don't read the forums you will have missed a lot of talk over the past year. We apologise for our lack of attention to this news page and accept that it could seem as though we've abandoned the FF project. However this is NOT the case! We are still very much active and are continuing to evolve and improve Fortress Forever. What was planned We have been testing a lot of big changes for the upcoming 2.5 patch--adding new weapons and even going as far as completely changing how some classes operate. Some of those changes will make the cut, and some won't, but we realized that there are a number of small changes and bug fixes that we want to release. Hence, the 2.42 patch. Where we're at right now Squeek and Dexter have been working very hard merging changes from our beta build and have, as of last night, got it up to date so that we can shortly begin testing release builds. There are a few (four or five) changes which are still up for debate as to their inclusion in this patch. Can we have some idea of what to expect in the 2.42 patch? Here's a taste: You no longer lose a kill for suiciding. Added soft-clipping of friendly players. This means no bumping into your allies and missing that conc (you can still stack on their heads, if that's your thing). No longer will your crosshair betray you: Your crosshair disappears when you are concussed. The true crosshair (where you are actually firing) now flashes upon firing a weapon. The scout's jump pad can now only be used by friendly players (with a team-colored paint job to reflect that fact). Enemies can damage and destroy them, but they regenerate health when left alone. Due to recent U.N. mandates regarding biological weapons (“we really mean it this time”), we thought the days of the infection were numbered. However our crack team of lawyers thankfully discovered a loophole. The medic's infection wears off after a set amount of time. It will bring players to 1hp, but won't kill them. When the infection wears off, the lost health returns. HWGuy now has a secondary attack called the "overpressure". Use it to push nearby enemies away where you can safely fill them full of lead. New map ff_warpath will be released! Fight your way through this pristine desert valley, capturing each command point until you are at the enemy's doorstep. That's only a portion of what we have in store, so watch this space for the full change log coming in a few weeks. the soldier's new laser grenade can lock down a narrow corridor, but won't fill the entire room with projectiles. ff_warpath So what's happening to these 'considerable changes' & the 2.5 patch? Some of the changes we like, but are waiting for further testing, appropriate models, and textures or coding in some required changes. Some items will be cut in the end, but 2.5 will contain some rdical new changes that we've been having a lot of fun with. If you want to help get this next patch out the door, consider joining the beta team! We are always looking for active players who can attend tests and give good feedback. Apply in the forums. If you have developer skills such as SDK coding, modelling, animation, or level design, see our jobs page. __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999) Last edited by Elmo; 01-06-2011 at 06:17 PM.

01-06-2011, 06:00 PM	#2
moosh WhenNailGrenWillOut? Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Gametype: mp_prematch Affiliations: [:)] - Frag Happy, babe\| Posts Rated Helpful 29 Times	Finally, a news post! __________________ [[ ff_hotfudge - bhop_theonlyone ]] "As the the new year approaches I await for it like an case of explosive fecalomania otherwise know as diareha or the massive shits. I am gripping the sides of the toilet as my stomach produces the first hollow thud out of the anus of the year to come." DarkeN_HellspawN Last edited by moosh; 01-06-2011 at 06:19 PM.

01-06-2011, 06:05 PM	#3
Raynian D&A Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ruining #pickups Class/Position: SPAWN CAMPING OH NO Gametype: Ragequitting Affiliations: [PMS]. [Shiney] Posts Rated Helpful 26 Times	Looks pretty solid as a whole. Soft-clipping is probably a good thing, changes to the jump pad are nice, infection changes are great, and I definitely want to see this HW change. Warpath is amazing, of course. Not so sure about the change to the conc effect, though....hm. __________________ 7:00 PM - zE: eh tbh i like some stuff in us but a lot of stuff in us messes with my nerves 7:00 PM - zE: like watching fox news 7:00 PM - zE: its like wtf

01-06-2011, 06:07 PM	#5
NeonLight NeoNL Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Boston, Mass Class/Position: Soldier, Medic Gametype: AvD Affiliations: +M\|M+ -RS Posts Rated Helpful 170 Times	Yay Elmo you're the best! __________________ Stream(720p 60FPS) Recover Montage Fidd_l SpiderX Zutalors_B2 Quark_Classic DM2_MGE NeoN's Config Emporium

01-06-2011, 06:17 PM	#6
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	I snuck in a warpath image. __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999)

01-06-2011, 06:20 PM	#7
moosh WhenNailGrenWillOut? Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Gametype: mp_prematch Affiliations: [:)] - Frag Happy, babe\| Posts Rated Helpful 29 Times	I'd just like to say that the soft-clipping is AMAZING. edit: Props to elmo for writing this beast of a news post. __________________ [[ ff_hotfudge - bhop_theonlyone ]] "As the the new year approaches I await for it like an case of explosive fecalomania otherwise know as diareha or the massive shits. I am gripping the sides of the toilet as my stomach produces the first hollow thud out of the anus of the year to come." DarkeN_HellspawN Last edited by moosh; 01-06-2011 at 06:21 PM.

01-06-2011, 06:39 PM	#8
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	was myself and carl with some help from episkopos __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999) Last edited by Elmo; 01-06-2011 at 06:39 PM.

01-06-2011, 07:24 PM	#9
Icculus D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Hampshire Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Most of those changes look sweet! Definitely excited to try this out. BTW, In the post on the front page, both of the links you posted (beta application and jobs page) only point to www.fortress-forever.com/ -Icculus

01-06-2011, 10:10 PM	#10
Hammock D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 13 Times	Sounds pretty cool, I can't wait to play warpath. How does the HW push thing work? Is it going to push a concer backwards mid conc? Or does it only affect people moving a certain speed? (ie: someone who's just standing infront of you shooting you and stuff?). Is it directional like a single target? Cone shape capable of hitting a couple guys in the direction you're facing? 360 degrees on the horizontal plane? Or spherical effecting anyone in the bubble it creates? Is it a big enough and strong enough push that if you used it on a scout who's about to conc, and just before his conc goes off you pushed him away from you and sent him in a backwards motion his conc goes off and his conc continues moving him in that backwards motion? Essentially making concers conc backwards. Does it work on teammates? And if so, would it accelerate things like concs. As in a HW stands behind a scout and they time it so the HW pushes the scout just before the conc goes off and his conc becomes stronger because he's at a higher speed. This would be a lot of fun, it's always entertaining working together with other classes to try and do some cool stuff, and HW boost + scout concs would definately be pretty cool just to fool around with, or it could actually be usefull say on maps like palermo where you could get scouts concing to extreme heights and distances. I like the team based jp's that's the way it should've been from the start. How much dmg does it take to destroy one ? Lets say in terms of rockets 1,2,3,4+ rockets? For the medpack thing, is the amount restored after the infection brings you down to 1hp cumulative, and capable of going above 100% hp's? Say you get infected at 50 health , but you keep grabbing health packs, and by the time you get to 1 hp it's done a total of 125damage to you, would it pump you up to 125 hp's? Last edited by Hammock; 01-06-2011 at 10:11 PM.

01-06-2011, 11:07 PM	#12
GenghisTron AKA LittleAndroidMan D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dystopia Class/Position: Demo/Medic Gametype: CTF Affiliations: [TALOS] [SR] Posts Rated Helpful 11 Times	Great news post Elmo, it's perfect. __________________ The Catacombs Steam Last.fm

01-07-2011, 12:25 AM	#14
Billy2600 Join Date: Oct 2010 Class/Position: Soldier D Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Soft clipping? Fuck yes.

01-07-2011, 02:30 AM	#16
Gwarsbane Slayer of humans D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mostly on earth though in some alt dimensions Class/Position: I'm an Offensive Defensive person Gametype: Fortress Forever Affiliations: I'm a merc, only thing that talks is money Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	I don't like the change to the medic. I'd rather see the damage double every 3 to 5 seconds till it kills you or a medic heals you. We're gonna see less people playing medic. Its hard enough already to get a medic to help. I also don't like the pass through. I can see a bunch of people gathering around the flag to block people from being able to reach it because they can't get through them. I also just think that passing through your own team is silly. I like the HW bounce. Hes big enough he should be able to bounce people away, not far but enough. I can also see that as being very helpful if hes defending the flag or a button. I like the laser grenade. I like the changes to the jump pad. And been waiting for warpath for a while.

01-07-2011, 03:39 AM	#20
Pixel if(0>1){printf("broked");} Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Amerika Class/Position: O Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Wouldn't soft clipping make that even less effective? Both standing in the same spot = less area blocked. Edit: Not that it even matters. Nobody is going to even try to do this. Last edited by Pixel; 01-07-2011 at 03:43 AM.

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