Why the HWGuy sucks.

Raynian · 08-07-2010, 02:08 AM

Don't believe me? Load up both games and check it out.

If you're too much of a dumbass to figure it out - FF's HWG requires pinpoint accuracy if a scout is hugging you. It's damn near impossible to hold a bead on someone. At long range, the cone is too large to hit any shots. Regardless of range you're fucked.

WiFiDi · 08-07-2010, 05:41 AM

i think thats the reletive idea though to make it so its only effective at close and medium range however i agree should prob be fixed even if not as acurate as tfc.

GenghisTron · 08-07-2010, 11:05 AM

Conc aiming in FF with an AC is a lot easier than it was in TFC, at least for me.

chilledsanity · 08-07-2010, 08:00 PM

It's even more than that. I'm not sure if each individual shot does more or less damage, but regardless, TFC's AC acted more like a rapid-fire continuous shotgun. Each "round" would spatter shots in a random array at the enemy, allowing great covering and stopping power. FF's is more like a machinegun, so you have more spread AND less coverage if you follow me.

EDIT:

I made a quick picture to illustrate:

NeonLight · 08-07-2010, 09:47 PM

thats a nice target chilled

Bridget · 08-07-2010, 09:57 PM

Sure is getting scientific 'round 'ere.

Iggy · 08-07-2010, 11:08 PM

Looks like boobies with acne.

On topic- I see what you mean, and yeah, something should be done about it.

angrypyro · 08-08-2010, 05:04 AM

Aren't you supposed to switch to the super shotgun if the scout is hugging you?

Bridget · 08-08-2010, 05:07 AM

No. It's a fucking mini-gun. It's supposed to have something called bullet spread that makes it deadly at close range. It's counter-intuitive and stupid having to switch to your shotgun at close range. What next? Forced to use the nailgun at long range instead of the sniper rifle?

hlstriker · 08-08-2010, 06:34 AM

It was hypno-acne-monster in disguise!

**Elmo** · 08-08-2010, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by hlstriker

It was hypno-acne-monster in disguise!

Ahahahaa!

RnZ · 08-08-2010, 10:03 AM

haha n1

AfterShock · 08-08-2010, 11:01 AM

Actually, you're wrong.

Tracers and decals are also not always shown for performance reasons.

Also, the bullet spread is normalised towards the center of the cone, rather than linearly randomised across it, so just because you see the odd bullet missing wildly, that doesnt mean most bullets are.

treateD · 08-08-2010, 11:12 AM

LOL

Carrots · 08-08-2010, 03:40 PM

i myself like the ff heavy much more. idk why, but its just more fun to play in this game

treateD · 08-08-2010, 04:15 PM

Aiming with or without get conced is pretty much easier than TFC,however TFC hw was able to slow down concers and other stuff...

JackBauer · 08-08-2010, 04:19 PM

is it save to say the HWG in tfc is stronger?

treateD · 08-08-2010, 04:22 PM

i say it requires more aiming skill

zE · 08-08-2010, 06:18 PM

I think that due to the slower pace of tfc Hw felt stronger, but in ff its 10 times easier to aim while conced.

chilledsanity · 08-08-2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JackBauer

is it save to say the HWG in tfc is stronger?

Easily. This discussion is making no mention of damage, which is certainly higher in TFC.

08-07-2010, 02:08 AM	#1
Raynian D&A Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ruining #pickups Class/Position: SPAWN CAMPING OH NO Gametype: Ragequitting Affiliations: [PMS]. [Shiney] Posts Rated Helpful 26 Times	Why the HWGuy sucks. Don't believe me? Load up both games and check it out. If you're too much of a dumbass to figure it out - FF's HWG requires pinpoint accuracy if a scout is hugging you. It's damn near impossible to hold a bead on someone. At long range, the cone is too large to hit any shots. Regardless of range you're fucked. __________________ 7:00 PM - zE: eh tbh i like some stuff in us but a lot of stuff in us messes with my nerves 7:00 PM - zE: like watching fox news 7:00 PM - zE: its like wtf

08-07-2010, 11:05 AM	#3
GenghisTron AKA LittleAndroidMan D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dystopia Class/Position: Demo/Medic Gametype: CTF Affiliations: [TALOS] [SR] Posts Rated Helpful 11 Times	Conc aiming in FF with an AC is a lot easier than it was in TFC, at least for me. __________________ The Catacombs Steam Last.fm

08-07-2010, 08:00 PM	#4
chilledsanity D&A Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Gametype: AvD, I/D, waterpolo, hunted Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	It's even more than that. I'm not sure if each individual shot does more or less damage, but regardless, TFC's AC acted more like a rapid-fire continuous shotgun. Each "round" would spatter shots in a random array at the enemy, allowing great covering and stopping power. FF's is more like a machinegun, so you have more spread AND less coverage if you follow me. EDIT: I made a quick picture to illustrate: Last edited by chilledsanity; 08-07-2010 at 08:09 PM.

08-07-2010, 09:47 PM	#5
NeonLight NeoNL Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Boston, Mass Class/Position: Soldier, Medic Gametype: AvD Affiliations: +M\|M+ -RS Posts Rated Helpful 170 Times	thats a nice target chilled __________________ Stream(720p 60FPS) Recover Montage Fidd_l SpiderX Zutalors_B2 Quark_Classic DM2_MGE NeoN's Config Emporium

08-08-2010, 11:01 AM	#13
AfterShock Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 45 Times	Actually, you're wrong. Tracers and decals are also not always shown for performance reasons. Also, the bullet spread is normalised towards the center of the cone, rather than linearly randomised across it, so just because you see the odd bullet missing wildly, that doesnt mean most bullets are. Last edited by AfterShock; 08-08-2010 at 11:06 AM.

08-07-2010, 05:41 AM	#2
WiFiDi Beta Tester Join Date: May 2010 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: Capture the Flag is there any other Posts Rated Helpful 26 Times	i think thats the reletive idea though to make it so its only effective at close and medium range however i agree should prob be fixed even if not as acurate as tfc.

08-07-2010, 09:57 PM	#6
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	Sure is getting scientific 'round 'ere.

08-08-2010, 05:04 AM	#8
angrypyro D&A Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Aren't you supposed to switch to the super shotgun if the scout is hugging you?

08-08-2010, 05:07 AM	#9
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	No. It's a fucking mini-gun. It's supposed to have something called bullet spread that makes it deadly at close range. It's counter-intuitive and stupid having to switch to your shotgun at close range. What next? Forced to use the nailgun at long range instead of the sniper rifle?

08-08-2010, 06:34 AM	#10
hlstriker QUAD ROCKET Server Owner Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jul 2007 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: Rocket Jumping Affiliations: -g1 ]qS[ -eC- :e0: [ESAD] Posts Rated Helpful 11 Times	It was hypno-acne-monster in disguise!

08-08-2010, 10:03 AM	#12
RnZ D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Rotterdam Class/Position: I like them all (except snipers :P) Gametype: Capture the Flag Affiliations: [TW] Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	haha n1

08-08-2010, 11:12 AM	#14
treateD ka1zeN Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ankara,TURKEY Class/Position: Medic,Hw Gametype: Capture the Flag Affiliations: DmC Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	LOL __________________ #clandmc @ Qnet

08-08-2010, 03:40 PM	#15
Carrots Join Date: Oct 2009 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i myself like the ff heavy much more. idk why, but its just more fun to play in this game

08-08-2010, 04:15 PM	#16
treateD ka1zeN Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ankara,TURKEY Class/Position: Medic,Hw Gametype: Capture the Flag Affiliations: DmC Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Aiming with or without get conced is pretty much easier than TFC,however TFC hw was able to slow down concers and other stuff... __________________ #clandmc @ Qnet

08-08-2010, 04:19 PM	#17
JackBauer Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Switzerland Posts Rated Helpful 20 Times	is it save to say the HWG in tfc is stronger? __________________ Swiss Fortress Community

08-08-2010, 04:22 PM	#18
treateD ka1zeN Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ankara,TURKEY Class/Position: Medic,Hw Gametype: Capture the Flag Affiliations: DmC Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i say it requires more aiming skill __________________ #clandmc @ Qnet

08-08-2010, 06:18 PM	#19
zE Pew pew ze beams Join Date: Jan 2008 Gametype: Gathers Affiliations: pew pew Posts Rated Helpful 11 Times	I think that due to the slower pace of tfc Hw felt stronger, but in ff its 10 times easier to aim while conced. Last edited by zE; 08-08-2010 at 06:19 PM.

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