oh no, a downer!

o_rannibunny · 01-05-2007, 11:42 AM

That movie is rather scary.

Trimping is quite a lot too powerful (HW trimping from the lower ramp to the elevator? Medics normally have a _hard_ time with that jump, impossible for anyone slower).
You get a double "good guy pose" for implementing the through wall cheat for the sniper, that's a sure way to improve public play...
Oh no! The cloaked spy moves! Having him able to throw grens while cloaked is quite a bit, but moving?

Edit: I'll have to play it in order to get a feeling for the changes, but...
I can already see me only joining no Sniper pubs again...

o_qui · 01-05-2007, 11:49 AM

Until you see the whole picture its difficult to comment on balance.

I'd wait till you play it a while before passing judgement

o_rannibunny · 01-05-2007, 11:52 AM

But these things already change a ton of things... the trimp...
*hngyaaar* at least I guess the faster classes can do even more fantastic things ^_^

Ah, but there's one thing I really liked about the movie: The pyro. I think he might become a really fun guy to play with...

o_qui · 01-05-2007, 11:56 AM

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But these things already change a ton of things

Just because its changed dosnt mean its broken though does it

o_twincannon · 01-05-2007, 12:14 PM

they never said it would be a clone of TFC, and thank god it ain't

Trimping = woot!

no bunnyhop footage? or did I miss it, I'm interested in seeing the average speed.

o_rannibunny · 01-05-2007, 12:22 PM

I've got no problem with trimping.
But FF doesn't implement trimping, it implements "jumpiness beyond believe feat. ramps" ^_^

Lost · 01-05-2007, 12:28 PM

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You get a double "good guy pose" for implementing the through wall cheat for the sniper, that's a sure way to improve public play...

The tag effect is limited to a certain range and has a set duration, meaning its invisible after so far and will only stay active for so long.

Quote:

Oh no! The cloaked spy moves! Having him able to throw grens while cloaked is quite a bit, but moving?

Cloaked spy is still visible, with no nades and any fast movement ruins his cloak. So its not overpowered, just far more useful than before, especially to average players.

o_rannibunny · 01-05-2007, 12:31 PM

ahh, thanks for clearing that up Lost. I just found out about the spy in the official thread, as well ^_^

But what about the nails? They aren't hitscan now, are they?
I mean, I saw about 3 or 4 shoots with a nailgun but no flying nails... Was the way simply too short or have they really become counterstriky?

But don't mind me, if you give me a hitscan supernailgun with normal supernailgundamage, feel free to have every class call in airstrikes at will, have the HW be 50 feet high and fart ectoplasma or god knows what.
I can take it ^_^

**mervaka** · 01-05-2007, 12:57 PM

nails are still projectile based.

Lost · 01-05-2007, 02:38 PM

Yeah, not every shot shows up perfectly in the demos though. But it also leaves nails in the wall now, about every 3rd or 4th shots. Pretty cool, they're like 4x the size of the gun barrel.

Jiggles · 01-05-2007, 03:02 PM

Yeah, and keep in mind things are certainly subject to change if we find it's way too unbalanced. The vid was intended more as a snapshot of progress, rather than saying "this is the way it's going to be"

o_dha · 01-05-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TwiNCannoN

no bunnyhop footage? or did I miss it, I'm interested in seeing the average speed.

I think there was some bunnyhopping footage. Yeh, it was on the third double jump clip, right? Just after the minigunner does the ramp trimp on forts.

o_tfcog · 01-05-2007, 03:33 PM

How come the SG's didn't shoot the spy as soon as he attacked the engies? Do spies stay camoflauged now even after they attack?

Jiggles · 01-05-2007, 03:37 PM

The way it works is that if you pull off a successful backstab (while disguised), you will instantly disguise as the person you killed -- thus not triggering the Sentries. Screwup, though, and you're sentry-food.

o_tfcog · 01-05-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

The way it works is that if you pull off a successful backstab (while disguised), you will instantly disguise as the person you killed -- thus not triggering the Sentries. Screwup, though, and you're sentry-food.

Nice feature! I always thought that's how the spy should get his disguises, straight from the source.

How about when the SG's started to shoot eachother, were they causing any damage to eachother? Also, does the spy who sabotages the SG get the SG kills or do they count as teamkills for the engie?

Lost · 01-05-2007, 03:47 PM

Its supposed to give the spy the kills but I don't know if it does yet. The icons show up for a TK.

The SG's will probably do damage if friendly fire was on, they target dispensers too, hehe.

o_benedetto · 01-05-2007, 03:51 PM

Is the engineer able to cancel the sabotage ?

Dospac · 01-05-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Benedetto

Is the engineer able to cancel the sabotage ?

You can:

Kill the spy
Wait 10 seconds for it to wear off
Detonate SG
Dismantle SG

o_broodingdude · 01-05-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dospac

You can: Wait 10 seconds for it to wear off

This needs to be nerfed to 5 seconds.

mirvin_monkey · 01-05-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dospac

Detonate SG
Dismantle SG

Are you sure, I recall the original design stated that you couldn't just dis/det your building.

01-05-2007, 11:42 AM	#1
o_rannibunny Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	oh no, a downer! That movie is rather scary. Trimping is quite a lot too powerful (HW trimping from the lower ramp to the elevator? Medics normally have a _hard_ time with that jump, impossible for anyone slower). You get a double "good guy pose" for implementing the through wall cheat for the sniper, that's a sure way to improve public play... Oh no! The cloaked spy moves! Having him able to throw grens while cloaked is quite a bit, but moving? Edit: I'll have to play it in order to get a feeling for the changes, but... I can already see me only joining no Sniper pubs again... Last edited by o_rannibunny; 01-05-2007 at 11:47 AM.

01-05-2007, 12:57 PM	#9
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	nails are still projectile based. __________________ Support FF:

01-05-2007, 02:38 PM	#10
Lost Fear teh crowbar. Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma Gametype: CTF ftw, yeh Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	Yeah, not every shot shows up perfectly in the demos though. But it also leaves nails in the wall now, about every 3rd or 4th shots. Pretty cool, they're like 4x the size of the gun barrel. __________________ Do what you want cuz a pirate is free! You are a pirate!

01-05-2007, 03:47 PM	#16
Lost Fear teh crowbar. Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma Gametype: CTF ftw, yeh Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	Its supposed to give the spy the kills but I don't know if it does yet. The icons show up for a TK. The SG's will probably do damage if friendly fire was on, they target dispensers too, hehe. __________________ Do what you want cuz a pirate is free! You are a pirate!

01-05-2007, 11:49 AM	#2
o_qui Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bournemouth, England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Until you see the whole picture its difficult to comment on balance. I'd wait till you play it a while before passing judgement

01-05-2007, 11:52 AM	#3
o_rannibunny Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	But these things already change a ton of things... the trimp... hngyaaar at least I guess the faster classes can do even more fantastic things ^_^ Ah, but there's one thing I really liked about the movie: The pyro. I think he might become a really fun guy to play with...

01-05-2007, 12:14 PM	#5
o_twincannon Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	they never said it would be a clone of TFC, and thank god it ain't Trimping = woot! no bunnyhop footage? or did I miss it, I'm interested in seeing the average speed.

01-05-2007, 12:22 PM	#6
o_rannibunny Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I've got no problem with trimping. But FF doesn't implement trimping, it implements "jumpiness beyond believe feat. ramps" ^_^

01-05-2007, 12:31 PM	#8
o_rannibunny Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	ahh, thanks for clearing that up Lost. I just found out about the spy in the official thread, as well ^_^ But what about the nails? They aren't hitscan now, are they? I mean, I saw about 3 or 4 shoots with a nailgun but no flying nails... Was the way simply too short or have they really become counterstriky? But don't mind me, if you give me a hitscan supernailgun with normal supernailgundamage, feel free to have every class call in airstrikes at will, have the HW be 50 feet high and fart ectoplasma or god knows what. I can take it ^_^

01-05-2007, 03:02 PM	#11
Jiggles Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CowTown Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah, and keep in mind things are certainly subject to change if we find it's way too unbalanced. The vid was intended more as a snapshot of progress, rather than saying "this is the way it's going to be"

01-05-2007, 03:33 PM	#13
o_tfcog Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	How come the SG's didn't shoot the spy as soon as he attacked the engies? Do spies stay camoflauged now even after they attack?

01-05-2007, 03:37 PM	#14
Jiggles Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CowTown Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The way it works is that if you pull off a successful backstab (while disguised), you will instantly disguise as the person you killed -- thus not triggering the Sentries. Screwup, though, and you're sentry-food.

01-05-2007, 03:51 PM	#17
o_benedetto Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Is the engineer able to cancel the sabotage ?

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