Building a better pc for my daughter...

o_hired-gun · 09-29-2006, 03:25 PM

Well im trying to build a better pc for my daughter,right now she has an old P2 350 mhz so its time for an upgrade.
I have an P4 1,7,HDD,CD/DVD player,case and the other stuff,got a mobo from a friend at work.
Its a Asrock P4I65G Intel S478 I865G Chipset, VGA, DDR, Ljud, AGP MATX,but my memory sticks SDram 133 will not fit on that mobo.
Looks like i have to buy DDR sticks,the mobo only have two memory slots and i dont know what kind of memory i should buy.
Checked some sites and i found DDR,DDR2 and DDR Dual Channel,must i have memory sticks in both slots and do they have to be of same type and size???
Help...

o_mooga · 09-29-2006, 03:38 PM

They need to be the same type (since the mobo will probably only alow one type) but size doesn't matter.

I don't know much about DDR and DDR2 but I know that SDRAM and DDRAM are cut differently so it's easy to not make mistakes when installing ram.

o_someoldguy · 09-29-2006, 03:54 PM

HG, from the ASRock web site ( http://www.asrock.com/product/P4i65G.htm ), it looks like it supports up to Dual Channel DDR400 (Supports DDR400/333/266 )

So basically you are looking at PC3200, PC2700, or PC2100 memory.

As said, they do NOT have to be the same size or even speed, but if you go with 2 you'll be better served by having the same brand, even if slower, since the memory runs at the speed of the slowest stick of memory. And no, you don't have to have both slots filled.... one will work just fine. I'd suggest a 512MB (or 2 - 256MB's, whatever is cheaper). But you could get away with 256MB total if you want.... unless she's going to be a gamer like the rest of your family!

o_sidd42 · 09-29-2006, 03:59 PM

If you want to get Dual Channel mode enabled, which you probably do, then you need 2 sticks, and they should both be identical (same brand, make, and size).

so, I would suggest 2 of 512MB DDR400 sticks, or 2 x 256MB.
2 x 1Gb is probably too excessive and expensive for this computer.

o_theres *nothing* here · 09-29-2006, 04:10 PM

I want to be your daughter.

Sigh.

o_deadly furby · 09-29-2006, 07:57 PM

Use TWO matching pieces of DDR-400, Non-ECC, Non-Reg. The Intel 865 chipset supports both single-sided and double-sided DIMMs with the exception of double-sided x16 organizations.

o_drtom · 09-29-2006, 08:30 PM

pics

o_hired-gun · 09-29-2006, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeOldGuy

unless she's going to be a gamer like the rest of your family!

Well she is on the way,she has been playing DN and HL for some time so i guess she will be like the rest of this crazy family

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Originally Posted by theres *nothing* here

I want to be your daughter.

You are 13 years to late with your request...

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Originally Posted by Deadly Furby

Use TWO matching pieces of DDR-400, Non-ECC, Non-Reg. The Intel 865 chipset supports both single-sided and double-sided DIMMs with the exception of double-sided x16 organizations.

Will this be ok???
Two sticks of MDT DDR400/PC3200 256Mb

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Originally Posted by drtom

pics

Dream on...

Thanks for the reply and help,saved me some trouble and money

o_deadly furby · 09-30-2006, 02:59 AM

That memory option would be fine although, I'd go for two 512s if you can afford it.

o_vertical · 09-30-2006, 06:11 AM

if you plan to upgrade to vista at a later date, I would ABSOLUTELY recommend 1GB (Total) 2x 512, or 1x 1GB. It may be slightly more expensive, but if your running windows XP, 512 can get sluggish pretty easy when gaming (though it's MUCH better than 256! :P) but 1GB will definatly get the job done with gaming on windows XP, and will still keep you covered when vista is avaliable. (I've been using 1GB since I built this PC, and have played everything on it, of course more is better...)

Anyhow, im just suggesting 1GB if you plan on going with vista later on, or if you plan to play games like F.E.A.R, HL2, CS:S, DOD:S, FF, Far Cry, Guild Wars, The Sims #, Sim City 4+, etc. (Which most of these require a decent graphics card too, but ram has alot to do with thier [the games] performance.) Either way, im sure she'll be happy over the old one!

o_dr zoidberg · 09-30-2006, 01:50 PM

*ahem* is she hot?

o_hired-gun · 09-30-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sidd42

If you want to get Dual Channel mode enabled, which you probably do, then you need 2 sticks, and they should both be identical (same brand, make, and size).

so, I would suggest 2 of 512MB DDR400 sticks, or 2 x 256MB.
2 x 1Gb is probably too excessive and expensive for this computer.

So if im not wrong a singel stick of 512MB is slower then 2 x 256MB for dual channel right...

o_deadly furby · 09-30-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hired-Gun

So if im not wrong a singel stick of 512MB is slower then 2 x 256MB for dual channel right...

Correct. Dual channel will not operate with a single module. Always install modules in matching pairs. (There are even some systems which require all 4 sockets to be matched for optimal performance.)

o_theres *nothing* here · 10-01-2006, 06:51 AM

Sigh.

o_sizeablessonic · 10-01-2006, 05:33 PM

What's the video/graphics card? i didn't see a mention of one anywhere in the specs...

o_sidd42 · 10-01-2006, 05:46 PM

That chipset has onboard graphics.

o_hired-gun · 10-01-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SizeableSSonic

What's the video/graphics card? i didn't see a mention of one anywhere in the specs...

Well i have two GF3-500TI from my old pc's

o_milk · 10-01-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sidd42

onboard graphics.

oh no!

o_sizeablessonic · 10-01-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Milk

oh no!

Yea, it depends, if she plans to game on it, you should definatly get a graphics card. You can find good cards for pretty good prices. I think we got the Radeon 9800 for a little less than 150$ somewhere online, and that was about two years ago.

o_theres *nothing* here · 10-02-2006, 04:08 AM

$150???!

09-29-2006, 03:25 PM	#1
o_hired-gun Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden the land of sin Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Building a better pc for my daughter... Well im trying to build a better pc for my daughter,right now she has an old P2 350 mhz so its time for an upgrade. I have an P4 1,7,HDD,CD/DVD player,case and the other stuff,got a mobo from a friend at work. Its a Asrock P4I65G Intel S478 I865G Chipset, VGA, DDR, Ljud, AGP MATX,but my memory sticks SDram 133 will not fit on that mobo. Looks like i have to buy DDR sticks,the mobo only have two memory slots and i dont know what kind of memory i should buy. Checked some sites and i found DDR,DDR2 and DDR Dual Channel,must i have memory sticks in both slots and do they have to be of same type and size??? Help...

09-29-2006, 03:38 PM	#2
o_mooga Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: A Small Box Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	They need to be the same type (since the mobo will probably only alow one type) but size doesn't matter. I don't know much about DDR and DDR2 but I know that SDRAM and DDRAM are cut differently so it's easy to not make mistakes when installing ram.

09-29-2006, 03:54 PM	#3
o_someoldguy Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Just east of the jug handle Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	HG, from the ASRock web site ( http://www.asrock.com/product/P4i65G.htm ), it looks like it supports up to Dual Channel DDR400 (Supports DDR400/333/266 ) So basically you are looking at PC3200, PC2700, or PC2100 memory. As said, they do NOT have to be the same size or even speed, but if you go with 2 you'll be better served by having the same brand, even if slower, since the memory runs at the speed of the slowest stick of memory. And no, you don't have to have both slots filled.... one will work just fine. I'd suggest a 512MB (or 2 - 256MB's, whatever is cheaper). But you could get away with 256MB total if you want.... unless she's going to be a gamer like the rest of your family!

09-29-2006, 03:59 PM	#4
o_sidd42 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	If you want to get Dual Channel mode enabled, which you probably do, then you need 2 sticks, and they should both be identical (same brand, make, and size). so, I would suggest 2 of 512MB DDR400 sticks, or 2 x 256MB. 2 x 1Gb is probably too excessive and expensive for this computer.

09-29-2006, 04:10 PM	#5
o_theres nothing here Join Date: May 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I want to be your daughter. Sigh.

09-29-2006, 07:57 PM	#6
o_deadly furby Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cell Block 17 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Use TWO matching pieces of DDR-400, Non-ECC, Non-Reg. The Intel 865 chipset supports both single-sided and double-sided DIMMs with the exception of double-sided x16 organizations.

09-29-2006, 08:30 PM	#7
o_drtom Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	pics

09-30-2006, 02:59 AM	#9
o_deadly furby Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cell Block 17 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That memory option would be fine although, I'd go for two 512s if you can afford it.

09-30-2006, 06:11 AM	#10
o_vertical Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA, KY Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	if you plan to upgrade to vista at a later date, I would ABSOLUTELY recommend 1GB (Total) 2x 512, or 1x 1GB. It may be slightly more expensive, but if your running windows XP, 512 can get sluggish pretty easy when gaming (though it's MUCH better than 256! :P) but 1GB will definatly get the job done with gaming on windows XP, and will still keep you covered when vista is avaliable. (I've been using 1GB since I built this PC, and have played everything on it, of course more is better...) Anyhow, im just suggesting 1GB if you plan on going with vista later on, or if you plan to play games like F.E.A.R, HL2, CS:S, DOD:S, FF, Far Cry, Guild Wars, The Sims #, Sim City 4+, etc. (Which most of these require a decent graphics card too, but ram has alot to do with thier [the games] performance.) Either way, im sure she'll be happy over the old one!

09-30-2006, 01:50 PM	#11
o_dr zoidberg Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	ahem is she hot?

10-01-2006, 06:51 AM	#14
o_theres nothing here Join Date: May 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Sigh.

10-01-2006, 05:33 PM	#15
o_sizeablessonic Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewere in Nevada Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	What's the video/graphics card? i didn't see a mention of one anywhere in the specs...

10-01-2006, 05:46 PM	#16
o_sidd42 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That chipset has onboard graphics.

10-02-2006, 04:08 AM	#20
o_theres nothing here Join Date: May 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	$150???!

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