Bhop 2.0?

o_re|ic · 12-31-2005, 11:54 PM

I've tried joining that bhop 2.0 sever, and when I get up to verifying resources (when loading) steam closes and I'm back to my desktop.

odd eh? I have many other games like CS:S and DoD:S and Red Orchestra and they all log onto servers fine.

Any ideas why I maybe getting this problem. My ping is usually about 15-20

o_df` · 09-23-2006, 02:04 AM

Apparently this is some kind of server hax mod for TFC? I just decided to join a pub for the hell of it and they had this running, and it was uncanny! I could bhop like a young man again! For the first time in a long time, I actually had fun in TFC.

I guess the most important question is...is this what bhop is going to be like in FF? Because if so, TF2 can just...oh, well, I wasn't really planning on buying it anyway, but this seals the deal!

Circuitous · 09-23-2006, 02:21 AM

Imagine QWTF bhopping with an elastic limit that slowly brings you back down to a respectable speed when you exceed it.

o_soundchaser · 09-23-2006, 02:28 AM

what server is this on?

o_df` · 09-23-2006, 02:34 AM

It was 209.51.136.22:27015.

o_badguy · 09-23-2006, 07:42 AM

I wasn't aware of a bhop limit in tfc ever?

You surely don't need a cheat to bunnyhop in tfc at insane speeds

o_qui · 09-23-2006, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadGuy

I wasn't aware of a bhop limit in tfc ever?

You surely don't need a cheat to bunnyhop in tfc at insane speeds

For a good few years there has been a 170% cap

o_pizzahut · 09-23-2006, 04:14 PM

It means the cap is at 2.0 times normal class speed.
The mod used is Sparky v2.
edit: Also no slow-down.

o_eat · 09-23-2006, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by df`

I guess the most important question is...is this what bhop is going to be like in FF? Because if so, TF2 can just...oh, well, I wasn't really planning on buying it anyway, but this seals the deal!

We are still tweaking because it felt too fast in recent playtests. Basically we were playing push and you could bhop past most people without getting hit so we will tune it down 5% or so and test again. It was reeeally fun before but we felt it was just a little unbalanced.

o_qbaler · 09-23-2006, 08:28 PM

there has been a tfc/hl plugin for some time now that disabled the bhop restriction so you could have uncapped bhop.

its a server side metamod plugin

o_ping_chow_chi · 09-23-2006, 08:59 PM

Now this may make me appear as a 'newb'....but then again I really would like to highlight a problem that may happen here.

I use to host on my clan server, a works TFC night, we use to have half a dozen or work mates play with me and some clan mates. now only a couple of the ever played TFC to any great degree, but all of them use to complain that people where always cheating, it was never that they where using aim bots or wall hacks lways that they where travelling twice as fast as they could travell (this was pre-cap time). I did try to explain - but probably due to the fact I couldn't BH - it never seemed that they would except the reason.

Now you have a system in process that will inform the average joe that people running arround at twice the speed that they can is the norm and I hope it is made out clear. But if some new guy joins a random FF server and some guy is running twice as fast as him, well he may feel it is a cheat.

You guys really need to capture a new players within a couple of hours playing time, if not, they will piss off to some other game. If you think the game should be faster, I really think you should just up the 'game speed' rather than allow people who 'know' what key presses to have the advantage over Mr. random joe who might have joined the server for the first time.

As soon as you make a clear and well defined barrior between the new and the vet - that could spell trouble.

o_kindbud · 09-23-2006, 09:50 PM

There's no skill in speeding up the game, sry...

Circuitous · 09-23-2006, 09:56 PM

Not to mention a tutorial mode, and bunnyhopping being a fully-featured part of the game that will be mentioned on the site, all over the forums, in the manual, in the in-game tutorial, and possibly in midgame hints.

o_dammage · 09-23-2006, 10:03 PM

I still believe that greater speed should just cost more life. End of story

Or to explain it more: the more speed you wish, the more you pay. E.g. a second gren jump for the mini in ETF means 50% of life what means being delivered to nailguns in no time.

But if people believe it is the right way ... well, people believed in witches, too

Tbh, the most important thing for me is that the game will be fluent. fluent. No matter how fast/slow it is.

As for the bhop plugin, it isn't new. I remeber to have played on such pubs pretty long time ago.

Cheers, happy Sunday

o_ping_chow_chi · 09-23-2006, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Circuitous

Not to mention a tutorial mode, and bunnyhopping being a fully-featured part of the game that will be mentioned on the site, all over the forums, in the manual, in the in-game tutorial, and possibly in midgame hints.

yes, because evereyone watches the tutorial, forums etc ....

I am sorry , what was trying to point out is people who came to the games as complete 'newbs' not people who had 'read the guides' not people 'who had played the game before' but new people, you know, the people we need to make the mod a sucess

I have too say, how many manuals have you read lately? .... me, I normaly jump in the game and give it a go

Circuitous · 09-23-2006, 10:51 PM

Hey, if you wanna jump into a game you know nothing about, start playing, get frustrated when someone does something you haven't learned how to do yet, then quit playing... then we're all probably better off.

If they want to take no initiative to learn the game, they don't deserve to, frankly. There are tons of tricks in TFC that aren't immediately apparent, but if they just want to throw a hissy fit and give up then let them, nothing we can do about that. Unless you want us to just remove them all, so everyone can jump right in? No rocket jumping, no conc jumping, no bunnyhopping, no pipejumping... we'll just give everyone jetpacks and speed boots, perfectly fair then.

Me, I read about what I can do in a new game. I run through the configs and see what's what, reset keys if I have to. I look for tricks and special features in the game manuals. I read map descriptions if it's one I've never played before. I guess this makes me unusual, but frankly I'd rather be prepared.

o_magz · 09-24-2006, 01:39 AM

you cant be a bloke then?

o_df` · 09-24-2006, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Circuitous

If they want to take no initiative to learn the game, they don't deserve to, frankly.

I agree with you, but sadly this is probably why there are only ~40 TFC players max on servers that ping good to me. *sigh*

Quote:

Originally Posted by qbaler

It means the cap is at 2.0 times normal class speed.
The mod used is Sparky v2.
edit: Also no slow-down.

Are you sure that it only raises the cap? I could have sworn that the jump timing was actually more forgiving. Like, I haven't played seriously in at least three years now, and usually when I pop on from time to time I can't bhop at all. But when I got on here, it was like all the sudden I could do it almost like when I used to clan. It was nice to have that feeling of competence again, even if it wasn't totally deserved, I guess.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ping_Chow_Chi

Now you have a system in process that will inform the average joe that people running arround at twice the speed that they can is the norm

No, no, no. Don't get me wrong, although bhopping on that server was easier than I remember it, it was by no means something that "the average joe" could do...I could only do it for maybe 10 hops at maximum before I'd miss one, and the only reason I could do that is I already know how to bhop even if my technique is rusty after years of not honing it. It kind of reminded me of what FC was saying, how in FF it'll be easier to learn how to bhop but require skill to effectively use and practice to master fully.

o_nezumi · 09-24-2006, 05:00 AM

I think mentioning bhopping in a mid-game hit (which is ON by default) would at least let new players know that it's an intentional feature right off the bat and not a cheat or exploit.

09-23-2006, 02:04 AM	#2
o_df` Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Bhop 2.0? Apparently this is some kind of server hax mod for TFC? I just decided to join a pub for the hell of it and they had this running, and it was uncanny! I could bhop like a young man again! For the first time in a long time, I actually had fun in TFC. I guess the most important question is...is this what bhop is going to be like in FF? Because if so, TF2 can just...oh, well, I wasn't really planning on buying it anyway, but this seals the deal!

09-23-2006, 02:21 AM	#3
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Imagine QWTF bhopping with an elastic limit that slowly brings you back down to a respectable speed when you exceed it. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

09-23-2006, 04:14 PM	#8
o_pizzahut Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Germany Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It means the cap is at 2.0 times normal class speed. The mod used is Sparky v2. edit: Also no slow-down. Last edited by o_pizzahut; 09-23-2006 at 04:22 PM.

09-23-2006, 08:59 PM	#11
o_ping_chow_chi Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Now this may make me appear as a 'newb'....but then again I really would like to highlight a problem that may happen here. I use to host on my clan server, a works TFC night, we use to have half a dozen or work mates play with me and some clan mates. now only a couple of the ever played TFC to any great degree, but all of them use to complain that people where always cheating, it was never that they where using aim bots or wall hacks lways that they where travelling twice as fast as they could travell (this was pre-cap time). I did try to explain - but probably due to the fact I couldn't BH - it never seemed that they would except the reason. Now you have a system in process that will inform the average joe that people running arround at twice the speed that they can is the norm and I hope it is made out clear. But if some new guy joins a random FF server and some guy is running twice as fast as him, well he may feel it is a cheat. You guys really need to capture a new players within a couple of hours playing time, if not, they will piss off to some other game. If you think the game should be faster, I really think you should just up the 'game speed' rather than allow people who 'know' what key presses to have the advantage over Mr. random joe who might have joined the server for the first time. As soon as you make a clear and well defined barrior between the new and the vet - that could spell trouble. Last edited by o_ping_chow_chi; 09-23-2006 at 09:41 PM.

09-23-2006, 09:56 PM	#13
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Not to mention a tutorial mode, and bunnyhopping being a fully-featured part of the game that will be mentioned on the site, all over the forums, in the manual, in the in-game tutorial, and possibly in midgame hints. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

12-31-2005, 11:54 PM	#1
o_re\|ic Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chester, Cheshire Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I've tried joining that bhop 2.0 sever, and when I get up to verifying resources (when loading) steam closes and I'm back to my desktop. odd eh? I have many other games like CS:S and DoD:S and Red Orchestra and they all log onto servers fine. Any ideas why I maybe getting this problem. My ping is usually about 15-20

09-23-2006, 02:28 AM	#4
o_soundchaser Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cow Hampshire USA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	what server is this on?

09-23-2006, 02:34 AM	#5
o_df` Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It was 209.51.136.22:27015.

09-23-2006, 07:42 AM	#6
o_badguy Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I wasn't aware of a bhop limit in tfc ever? You surely don't need a cheat to bunnyhop in tfc at insane speeds

09-23-2006, 08:28 PM	#10
o_qbaler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boston Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	there has been a tfc/hl plugin for some time now that disabled the bhop restriction so you could have uncapped bhop. its a server side metamod plugin

09-23-2006, 09:50 PM	#12
o_kindbud Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	There's no skill in speeding up the game, sry...

09-23-2006, 10:03 PM	#14
o_dammage Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I still believe that greater speed should just cost more life. End of story Or to explain it more: the more speed you wish, the more you pay. E.g. a second gren jump for the mini in ETF means 50% of life what means being delivered to nailguns in no time. But if people believe it is the right way ... well, people believed in witches, too Tbh, the most important thing for me is that the game will be fluent. fluent. No matter how fast/slow it is. As for the bhop plugin, it isn't new. I remeber to have played on such pubs pretty long time ago. Cheers, happy Sunday

09-23-2006, 10:51 PM	#16
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Hey, if you wanna jump into a game you know nothing about, start playing, get frustrated when someone does something you haven't learned how to do yet, then quit playing... then we're all probably better off. If they want to take no initiative to learn the game, they don't deserve to, frankly. There are tons of tricks in TFC that aren't immediately apparent, but if they just want to throw a hissy fit and give up then let them, nothing we can do about that. Unless you want us to just remove them all, so everyone can jump right in? No rocket jumping, no conc jumping, no bunnyhopping, no pipejumping... we'll just give everyone jetpacks and speed boots, perfectly fair then. Me, I read about what I can do in a new game. I run through the configs and see what's what, reset keys if I have to. I look for tricks and special features in the game manuals. I read map descriptions if it's one I've never played before. I guess this makes me unusual, but frankly I'd rather be prepared. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

09-24-2006, 01:39 AM	#17
o_magz Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	you cant be a bloke then?

09-24-2006, 05:00 AM	#19
o_nezumi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Peoples Republic of Harmfull Free Radicals Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I think mentioning bhopping in a mid-game hit (which is ON by default) would at least let new players know that it's an intentional feature right off the bat and not a cheat or exploit.

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