Hey, how 'bout that hud?

o_puppychow · 09-16-2006, 05:26 AM

Still being built / tweaked or is it pretty much set? What about the class selection screen, options screens etc.

Thx! I wub you!

Defrag · 09-16-2006, 06:45 AM

It's built but requires a few changes to the layout to make everything line up. fc & mirv are currently spending a lot of time on creating a consistently styled UI (menus, scoreboard etc) that is significantly better than the default styles.

As of Friday, the menus were pretty well on. I'm sure mirv or fc will write a dev journal about it at some point. They've just been too busy actually making stuff to write about it, really.

o_luminous · 09-16-2006, 11:40 AM

im guessing youve tested the hud on different screens/resolutions/aspect ratios to make sure it works well? i have had a couple of problems with the hl2 engine when running in 1440x900, so dont want this to be messed up on my screen when its finally out

o_fooleycooley · 09-16-2006, 12:07 PM

That's actually one of the biggest issues with creating it. My monitor doesn't go over 1280x1024 either so it's pretty impossible for me to test accurately. :\

o_exarch · 09-16-2006, 04:19 PM

well, I'll happily test it for you

o_ginger lord · 09-16-2006, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luminous

i have had a couple of problems with the hl2 engine when running in 1440x900, so dont want this to be messed up on my screen when its finally out

Thats to make up for the fact the Source engine shows more in widescreen :P

Its all fair

o_sizeablessonic · 09-16-2006, 04:44 PM

Yea, thats something I would love to see. I also remember a leaked screenshot of the HUD that someone linked when he found his was through a dev's webspace. (Sorry devs if you didnt want this mentioned)

o_fooleycooley · 09-16-2006, 04:50 PM

That screenshot was old when it was first leaked, now it's a piece of ancient history which has nothing to do with the current UI.

o_infinitum · 09-16-2006, 06:58 PM

So uh is there any chance of the HUD being shown in the next update?

o_imbrifer · 09-16-2006, 08:11 PM

On one hand I'd like to see the HUD, but on the other I don't want to be an irritating prick anymore to the FF team, and let them work in peace. I think this time I'll go for the latter.

o_darksoul · 09-16-2006, 08:16 PM

what problems are caused by running 1440*900 specifically?

i've noticed that rarely surfaces that are supposed to be reflective go pink =o

o_luminous · 09-16-2006, 08:31 PM

ive had parts of the hud going off screen, like cut in half, or theve been too far into the middle n not completely visable, or they just plain havent shown up :\

ive seen the pink error in CS:S now n again, but almost all of the hud errors have been in hl2:dm

o_fooleycooley · 09-16-2006, 09:52 PM

Basically the way the HUD stuff works is that you make it all at 640x480 res. The engine then dynamically scales these dimensions to fit on other resolutions (there's no 'quality loss' as it's all vector based).

Which is great if you're sticking to the 1 1/3 aspect ratio type resolutions (800x600, 1024x768, 1280x968...) but screws up badly on anything else. We can manually offset the values but like I said, my monitor doesn't go over 1280x1024, so it's gonna be a bit of a bugger to test thoroughly.

o_pixel · 09-16-2006, 09:57 PM

hud messes up in hl2dm for me on 1280 x 1024 all the time.

o_groovyf · 09-19-2006, 11:39 AM

Don't recall any HUD issues when running at 1680x1050.

hopefully i've just been lucky!

o_ghost · 09-19-2006, 12:31 PM

I can't say I've noticed any either at 1680x1050 in CS:S.

o_dammage · 09-19-2006, 12:40 PM

Didn't notice any problems with HUDs @800x600 on a 1280x768 laptop. Except the egg-head effect

Btw, will there be a way to define critical values?
E.g. if health goes too low and such stuff, that they can blink/become bigger instead of just changing the color. Nothing for me, sound is enough to know your state, but could be useful for newbies to signalize what they should do next.

o_fooleycooley · 09-19-2006, 02:35 PM

The source engine doesn't let us dynamically scale fonts on the fly, you have to predefine sizes which can work but... gets messy.

o_osiris · 09-20-2006, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GhOsT

I can't say I've noticed any either at 1680x1050 in CS:S.

I run the same res, the only time I ever really have problems with HUD displays is if I change the res to something and load up a map without a restart of the game/steam. It's pretty simple to fix if I forget, I just shut it down and load it back up and it works all perfectly fine in the new res but yeah. Other than that I've had no problems at 1680x1050

09-16-2006, 05:26 AM	#1
o_puppychow Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Washington DC Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Hey, how 'bout that hud? Still being built / tweaked or is it pretty much set? What about the class selection screen, options screens etc. Thx! I wub you!

09-16-2006, 06:45 AM	#2
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's built but requires a few changes to the layout to make everything line up. fc & mirv are currently spending a lot of time on creating a consistently styled UI (menus, scoreboard etc) that is significantly better than the default styles. As of Friday, the menus were pretty well on. I'm sure mirv or fc will write a dev journal about it at some point. They've just been too busy actually making stuff to write about it, really. __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

09-16-2006, 11:40 AM	#3
o_luminous Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	im guessing youve tested the hud on different screens/resolutions/aspect ratios to make sure it works well? i have had a couple of problems with the hl2 engine when running in 1440x900, so dont want this to be messed up on my screen when its finally out

09-16-2006, 12:07 PM	#4
o_fooleycooley Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That's actually one of the biggest issues with creating it. My monitor doesn't go over 1280x1024 either so it's pretty impossible for me to test accurately. :\

09-16-2006, 04:19 PM	#5
o_exarch Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bath, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	well, I'll happily test it for you

09-16-2006, 04:44 PM	#7
o_sizeablessonic Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewere in Nevada Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yea, thats something I would love to see. I also remember a leaked screenshot of the HUD that someone linked when he found his was through a dev's webspace. (Sorry devs if you didnt want this mentioned)

09-16-2006, 04:50 PM	#8
o_fooleycooley Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That screenshot was old when it was first leaked, now it's a piece of ancient history which has nothing to do with the current UI.

09-16-2006, 06:58 PM	#9
o_infinitum Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	So uh is there any chance of the HUD being shown in the next update?

09-16-2006, 08:11 PM	#10
o_imbrifer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Changes every few months Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	On one hand I'd like to see the HUD, but on the other I don't want to be an irritating prick anymore to the FF team, and let them work in peace. I think this time I'll go for the latter.

09-16-2006, 08:16 PM	#11
o_darksoul Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: kidderminster, uk Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	what problems are caused by running 1440*900 specifically? i've noticed that rarely surfaces that are supposed to be reflective go pink =o

09-16-2006, 08:31 PM	#12
o_luminous Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	ive had parts of the hud going off screen, like cut in half, or theve been too far into the middle n not completely visable, or they just plain havent shown up :\ ive seen the pink error in CS:S now n again, but almost all of the hud errors have been in hl2:dm

09-16-2006, 09:52 PM	#13
o_fooleycooley Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Basically the way the HUD stuff works is that you make it all at 640x480 res. The engine then dynamically scales these dimensions to fit on other resolutions (there's no 'quality loss' as it's all vector based). Which is great if you're sticking to the 1 1/3 aspect ratio type resolutions (800x600, 1024x768, 1280x968...) but screws up badly on anything else. We can manually offset the values but like I said, my monitor doesn't go over 1280x1024, so it's gonna be a bit of a bugger to test thoroughly.

09-16-2006, 09:57 PM	#14
o_pixel Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	hud messes up in hl2dm for me on 1280 x 1024 all the time.

09-19-2006, 11:39 AM	#15
o_groovyf Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Halifax, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Don't recall any HUD issues when running at 1680x1050. hopefully i've just been lucky!

09-19-2006, 12:31 PM	#16
o_ghost Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I can't say I've noticed any either at 1680x1050 in CS:S.

09-19-2006, 12:40 PM	#17
o_dammage Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Didn't notice any problems with HUDs @800x600 on a 1280x768 laptop. Except the egg-head effect Btw, will there be a way to define critical values? E.g. if health goes too low and such stuff, that they can blink/become bigger instead of just changing the color. Nothing for me, sound is enough to know your state, but could be useful for newbies to signalize what they should do next.

09-19-2006, 02:35 PM	#18
o_fooleycooley Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The source engine doesn't let us dynamically scale fonts on the fly, you have to predefine sizes which can work but... gets messy.

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