old skool or TFC style?

o_barbarian · 04-01-2005, 02:07 AM

I'm just wondering, what direction do you plan to take this mod? Will it look like a more futuristic Team Fortress, like TFC, or will it have the medieval look of TF? Will the maps be fullbright, like TFC, or will they be dark and gloomy, with places to hide, like TF?

Also, more importantly, will the Heavy Weapons guy be TF, Mega TF, or TFC style? (immobile while firing / can move while gun is spinning but ceases fire until stopping / can move at half speed while firing)

Before someone says, "TF was nothing until TFC," TF was the most popular mod for Quakeworld, just like TFC was the most popular mod for HL2 until the arrival of the (dreaded) Counter-Strike. You might actually get more people to play if you go TF style, since TFC is still alive and well, whereas the original TF isn't really.

o_butt mcfloyd · 04-01-2005, 02:20 AM

No way. Totally should be TFC style. I think people would agree. It seems only right to bring TFC to HL2 this way. Wasn't TFC played more than TF anyway?

o_barbarian · 04-01-2005, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Butt McFloyd

No way. Totally should be TFC style. I think people would agree. It seems only right to bring TFC to HL2 this way. Wasn't TFC played more than TF anyway?

Possibly. TF would peak around 15000 online at a time in its hayday, I think TFC was around 25000 or so. However, TF was running 15000 for around 4 years, TFC didn't keep those numbers up that long.

You must have never had the pleasure of hiding in the shadows AND NOT BEEN SEEN while re-disguising in 2fort5 (or 2fort4).

o_t00l · 04-01-2005, 02:46 AM

TF didn't hafta compete with counterstrike

o_d3pth charge · 04-01-2005, 03:44 AM

perhaps a quick stroll to the FAQ could help answer the question. I think the team mentioned they are going to stick with TFC style while adding a few of the best QWTF elements.

o_palehorse864 · 04-01-2005, 09:03 AM

I would love to see better lighting than TFC had in many places. I loved teh dark and gloomy shadows of TF. I think they both did things quite well and we should look at the best of both.

o_travis dane · 04-01-2005, 09:06 AM

A mix wouldn't be that bad. Crossover looks like it's going with a dark and depressing theme, and Uno looks like it's going to be warmy and mid-summer. As long as they don't change Dustbowl (heck, the theme is even embedded into the map name).

o_gunslinger · 04-01-2005, 10:40 AM

TF was also released before TFC when less people had internet connections and PC's capable of playing games on them, in the UK at least. I'd expect it to have less players for this reason.

Basically it doesn't really matter what method they use, other than they use the one which works best for the game.

o_garlandgreen · 04-01-2005, 05:53 PM

dunno what it is about the new engine because it always seems to make everything feel a bit futristic and post apocaliptic . though this could be just me

o_darkside · 04-02-2005, 01:50 AM

TFC STYLE ALL Z WAY!

o_squanto · 04-02-2005, 09:34 AM

we oughta keep in mind the qwtf physics. that's what made qwtf so great. ff should blow qwtf out of the water... just try not to go overboard and make a whole different game. tfc was cool, but qwtf or etf have much better physics and a crazier feel.

o_falleh · 04-02-2005, 12:45 PM

FULL TFC STYLE!

o_torn · 04-18-2005, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by xnarf

to stick with TFC style while adding a few of the best QWTF elements.

i hope this includes the ability to pop players off the ground, and score arsey mid air shots with the rl :P

o_hypnotoad · 04-18-2005, 04:06 PM

you can do that on both games?

o_lektrik · 04-18-2005, 06:50 PM

it's significantly harder in tfc though, because the rockets dont go straight

Jiggles · 04-18-2005, 08:22 PM

Rockets go straight, they just don't fire from the center of the screen (which is probably what you mean).
Also, QW rockets went much faster, making it significantly easier to airshot/juggle someone.

o_qbaler · 04-18-2005, 10:28 PM

I think you can see the general direction of the mod already. It is going to be a newer version of tfc. They are sticking to tfc for most things but doing things to it that should have been done long ago.

ff will be more tfc then tf. But remember it is not at all a direct port. FF is a new game!

ps: cs sux

Defrag · 04-19-2005, 06:19 AM

The rocket strikes will be TFC style. The reason QW airshots were a lot easier is three-fold:

A: Rockets are much faster in QWTF
B: Rockets come from a much more central position in QWTF
B: Hitboxes are much more forgiving for projectile strkes in QWTF.

Other than these three things, the actual behaviour that takes place when the rocket strikes the model is very similar in TFC & QWTF. In other fortress mods I've played (namely q3f/etf) a direct footshot or big splash shot doesn't really move people or pop them into the air even half as much as QWTF/TFC -- this is both good (much less chance of a soldier dominating the rest of the fight just because the first rocket was a hit) and bad (less interesting, less juggling and less spectacular). It depends on what you prefer, I guess. I much prefer the TFC style or rocket strikes.

We have considered making subtle changes to the hitboxes to make projectile hits less random, but this will be something we test extensively during beta. IMO it'd be pretty cool to make airshots a little more achievable then see whether soldiers / demos risk it a lot more

o_kam · 04-20-2005, 04:33 AM

sigh so the crosshair will be inaccurate at close/medium ranges :<

Dospac · 04-20-2005, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kaMIKazE

sigh so the crosshair will be inaccurate at close/medium ranges :<

I wouldn't say that with certainty.

04-01-2005, 02:07 AM	#1
o_barbarian Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	old skool or TFC style? I'm just wondering, what direction do you plan to take this mod? Will it look like a more futuristic Team Fortress, like TFC, or will it have the medieval look of TF? Will the maps be fullbright, like TFC, or will they be dark and gloomy, with places to hide, like TF? Also, more importantly, will the Heavy Weapons guy be TF, Mega TF, or TFC style? (immobile while firing / can move while gun is spinning but ceases fire until stopping / can move at half speed while firing) Before someone says, "TF was nothing until TFC," TF was the most popular mod for Quakeworld, just like TFC was the most popular mod for HL2 until the arrival of the (dreaded) Counter-Strike. You might actually get more people to play if you go TF style, since TFC is still alive and well, whereas the original TF isn't really.

04-19-2005, 06:19 AM	#18
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The rocket strikes will be TFC style. The reason QW airshots were a lot easier is three-fold: A: Rockets are much faster in QWTF B: Rockets come from a much more central position in QWTF B: Hitboxes are much more forgiving for projectile strkes in QWTF. Other than these three things, the actual behaviour that takes place when the rocket strikes the model is very similar in TFC & QWTF. In other fortress mods I've played (namely q3f/etf) a direct footshot or big splash shot doesn't really move people or pop them into the air even half as much as QWTF/TFC -- this is both good (much less chance of a soldier dominating the rest of the fight just because the first rocket was a hit) and bad (less interesting, less juggling and less spectacular). It depends on what you prefer, I guess. I much prefer the TFC style or rocket strikes. We have considered making subtle changes to the hitboxes to make projectile hits less random, but this will be something we test extensively during beta. IMO it'd be pretty cool to make airshots a little more achievable then see whether soldiers / demos risk it a lot more __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

04-01-2005, 02:20 AM	#2
o_butt mcfloyd Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	No way. Totally should be TFC style. I think people would agree. It seems only right to bring TFC to HL2 this way. Wasn't TFC played more than TF anyway?

04-01-2005, 02:46 AM	#4
o_t00l Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CT Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	TF didn't hafta compete with counterstrike

04-01-2005, 03:44 AM	#5
o_d3pth charge Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Davis, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	perhaps a quick stroll to the FAQ could help answer the question. I think the team mentioned they are going to stick with TFC style while adding a few of the best QWTF elements.

04-01-2005, 09:03 AM	#6
o_palehorse864 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I would love to see better lighting than TFC had in many places. I loved teh dark and gloomy shadows of TF. I think they both did things quite well and we should look at the best of both.

04-01-2005, 09:06 AM	#7
o_travis dane Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Down here Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	A mix wouldn't be that bad. Crossover looks like it's going with a dark and depressing theme, and Uno looks like it's going to be warmy and mid-summer. As long as they don't change Dustbowl (heck, the theme is even embedded into the map name).

04-01-2005, 10:40 AM	#8
o_gunslinger Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	TF was also released before TFC when less people had internet connections and PC's capable of playing games on them, in the UK at least. I'd expect it to have less players for this reason. Basically it doesn't really matter what method they use, other than they use the one which works best for the game.

04-01-2005, 05:53 PM	#9
o_garlandgreen Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	dunno what it is about the new engine because it always seems to make everything feel a bit futristic and post apocaliptic . though this could be just me

04-02-2005, 01:50 AM	#10
o_darkside Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	TFC STYLE ALL Z WAY!

04-02-2005, 09:34 AM	#11
o_squanto Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	we oughta keep in mind the qwtf physics. that's what made qwtf so great. ff should blow qwtf out of the water... just try not to go overboard and make a whole different game. tfc was cool, but qwtf or etf have much better physics and a crazier feel.

04-02-2005, 12:45 PM	#12
o_falleh Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Germany - Dresden Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	FULL TFC STYLE!

04-18-2005, 04:06 PM	#14
o_hypnotoad Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	you can do that on both games?

04-18-2005, 06:50 PM	#15
o_lektrik Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	it's significantly harder in tfc though, because the rockets dont go straight

04-18-2005, 08:22 PM	#16
Jiggles Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CowTown Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Rockets go straight, they just don't fire from the center of the screen (which is probably what you mean). Also, QW rockets went much faster, making it significantly easier to airshot/juggle someone.

04-18-2005, 10:28 PM	#17
o_qbaler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boston Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I think you can see the general direction of the mod already. It is going to be a newer version of tfc. They are sticking to tfc for most things but doing things to it that should have been done long ago. ff will be more tfc then tf. But remember it is not at all a direct port. FF is a new game! ps: cs sux

04-20-2005, 04:33 AM	#19
o_kam Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	sigh so the crosshair will be inaccurate at close/medium ranges :<

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