Just want some clarification about the clanning / league situation.

hypno · 04-24-2010, 12:24 AM

First, let me say that FF is pretty fucking awesome, it's better than TF2 imo and tons better than TFC as the devs actually seem to care and are trying to balance things out.

Anyways, I've had a long absence from clans/league play and now that I'm back from what I'm seeing there's not a lot of leagues/clans for FF other than pubbing/scrimming (maybe?). I looked at FF-TFL and it hasn't been updated since 2008, the STA ladder seems dead at the moment as well as the UGC ladder. Even then, these are only 4vs4 O v D, wtf happened? I know TF2 probably pretty much blackballed FF when they released about the same time but still.. FF is so much better than TFC I figured there'd be way more of a clan / league presence.

So, what I would like clarification on is: Are there any leagues currently running ladders right now? Are there any clans recruiting for these ladders? Are there any "old" clans from TFC currently participating in these?

I guess you could also call this a LFC request, but I'd just like to try and play competitively again after I shake off the rust and TFC is just kinda..meh and TF2 although can be fun is more like a game where you pub, mostly.

I also don't mean to sound demanding, forgive me if I do, ^^.

**squeek.** · 04-24-2010, 12:43 AM

You might want to try #ff.pickup on Gamesurge (US) or Quakenet (EU).

Leagues have been going in cycles. STA and TFL have never really gotten off the ground since their first season or so back in 1.0/1.1. UGC ran a few seasons, died, came back, and is now dying again. Leagues being active or not is purely based on player demand. If enough players are willing to play, a league will spring into action. Once those players stop playing, the league dies. It's pretty simple.

Sadly, we haven't seen much in terms of new players entering the clan/league side of things (not counting "new" players coming from TFC). Hopefully that'll change in the future, but for now, pickups are likely the closest you'll get to an active league scene.

hypno · 04-24-2010, 12:55 AM

Thanks for the quick reply, I really appreciate it. Do you think they'd mind someone who's rusty as hell? I still haven't quite figured out how to HH conc yet in this game (I had a special sound file in TFC that helped because I had 56k back then). Bhopping is still a little iffy sometimes for me, too.

**squeek.** · 04-24-2010, 01:24 AM

As long as you're upfront with your skill level and willing to learn, some people can be helpful. Some people can also be unforgiving. It might be useful to spectate some pickups first, practice things like concing on your own (or ask others for help), and then jump in.

AfterShock · 04-24-2010, 11:34 AM

HH concing you simply jump right at on the last beep of the grenade timer, alternatively if you don't jump at all, you will do a mini-HH conc at 75% strength which is fairly horizontal.

Bunny hopping is fairly straightforward given you can now hold space bar to automatically jump every time you hit the floor, so you just need to master air control (turn left and hold strafe left to turn left, etc). Just remember you don't press +forwards to bunny hop forwards (you only use strafe keys)

elwood · 04-24-2010, 07:11 PM

What teams did you play for in TFC, Hypno? Your name sounds very familiar.

Ohh and welcome to FF

hypno · 04-24-2010, 08:24 PM

I don't really have a chronological order, but you probably might have seen me in **KEA**, TeH. , mF. , [inferno], [FOoM] (briefly), [FU] also briefly, I was in {ED} for a little bit too. Lots of others i'm almost postiive that no one has heard of / seen unless they were in them, lol.

I was also an admin on Odin's Graveyard, so that's probably where you saw me a lot.

Thanks, I like FF a lot, ^^.

Also AfterShock, thanks for the tips on HH'in and Bhoping. I think I have bhopping down, but I seem to hit the cap easily or I just plain mess up I'm sure it'll come back to me with more practiace. HH'ing I'm getting the hang of, it's a different monster altogether when you're not compensating for 250+ ping and have to use a special timer ><. (Albeit a bit simpler, as well)

**squeek.** · 04-24-2010, 08:32 PM

The bhop cap is a soft cap in FF. When you hit it, you just go back down to 140% of your max speed (semi-gradually). If you feel that you're slowing down while bhopping, it's likely not the cap that is doing that.

Also, turn on hud_speedometer 1 to see your speed while bhopping.

elwood · 04-24-2010, 09:42 PM

you being in KEA and TeH rings a bell as well as your Odin's reference.

Dr.Satan · 04-25-2010, 08:54 AM

...wait what's happening to UGC? I didn't realize that in my absence it was dying. That sucks I guess I should devote some time to UGC again since shit seems to be getting out of hand

Sorry to derail this for a min...but I've been only semi-active for a bit now with school and work and hearing that UGC is dying is pretty depressing to me.

biohaZ · 04-27-2010, 02:23 PM

its been dead for like 2+ months now satan

**Elmo** · 04-27-2010, 02:48 PM

Tis true. To be honest the league was too long to maintain interest, should have been kept short and sweet. Don't know if it's possible to determine a winner in less matches, I don't even know how the scoring worked. There was less motivation in getting people for a match than a friendly just because you knew something wouldn't go right, especially playing the US guys with the time difference. It just didn't work

**Ricey** · 04-27-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo

Tis true. To be honest the league was too long to maintain interest, should have been kept short and sweet. Don't know if it's possible to determine a winner in less matches, I don't even know how the scoring worked. There was less motivation in getting people for a match than a friendly just because you knew something wouldn't go right, especially playing the US guys with the time difference. It just didn't work

Yea, the US vs Euro times sucked, but it was fun to play vs euro. Lagged O Pyro ftw.

Dr.Satan · 04-27-2010, 07:45 PM

yeah, I had those fears when I started it up...and that's sad to hear. I didn't realize it had even been that long since I'd talked to PoC n shit

Tamerlane · 04-28-2010, 05:58 AM

what's up hypno, I remember you! I just found out about fortress forever a couple days ago and thought I'd check it out...I also just registered here, too. I was really sad when I was looking for a server to play and found out there were hardly any players around.

Hawk Eye · 04-28-2010, 06:11 AM

If you idle in a server a bit (Rocket jump around, or practice concing or something), typically people will join the server. There's an awful lot of people looking at the server list, saying "nvm no one is playing", and not making any attempt past that.

hypno · 04-28-2010, 12:36 PM

Hey Tam! Usually the TALOS server has some folks in it throughout the day, as well as the european pubs.

TALOS - 207.210.252.163:27015

zE Palace1 (European) - 85.234.148.39:27025

Also [o-t] has a bunch of people on it sometimes too. They have a lot of rules about swearing and stuff though, so be forewarned.

[O-T] 206.217.134.170:27016

Talos usually has people in the afternoon / evenings if you're EST (that's when I notice them, anyway). European pub has them off and on during the day, and I haven't been in o-t enough to get a feel of when people start getting on.

Glad to see you though man, how you been?

Scuzzy · 04-28-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamerlane

what's up hypno, I remember you! I just found out about fortress forever a couple days ago and thought I'd check it out...I also just registered here, too. I was really sad when I was looking for a server to play and found out there were hardly any players around.

tell your friends, bring us fresh meat.

Peppas · 04-30-2010, 03:18 AM

Old Timers need some new people to ban!

Yeah i went there

1st warning!

JackBauer · 06-20-2010, 10:40 PM

what's the current state of FF? are there any active clans around?

04-24-2010, 12:24 AM	#1
hypno Wish I was sleepin' Join Date: Apr 2010 Class/Position: Still noobing it up. Gametype: CTF, Whatever the hell rock_2 is. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Just want some clarification about the clanning / league situation. First, let me say that FF is pretty fucking awesome, it's better than TF2 imo and tons better than TFC as the devs actually seem to care and are trying to balance things out. Anyways, I've had a long absence from clans/league play and now that I'm back from what I'm seeing there's not a lot of leagues/clans for FF other than pubbing/scrimming (maybe?). I looked at FF-TFL and it hasn't been updated since 2008, the STA ladder seems dead at the moment as well as the UGC ladder. Even then, these are only 4vs4 O v D, wtf happened? I know TF2 probably pretty much blackballed FF when they released about the same time but still.. FF is so much better than TFC I figured there'd be way more of a clan / league presence. So, what I would like clarification on is: Are there any leagues currently running ladders right now? Are there any clans recruiting for these ladders? Are there any "old" clans from TFC currently participating in these? I guess you could also call this a LFC request, but I'd just like to try and play competitively again after I shake off the rust and TFC is just kinda..meh and TF2 although can be fun is more like a game where you pub, mostly. I also don't mean to sound demanding, forgive me if I do, ^^. Last edited by hypno; 04-24-2010 at 12:24 AM.

04-24-2010, 12:43 AM	#2
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	You might want to try #ff.pickup on Gamesurge (US) or Quakenet (EU). Leagues have been going in cycles. STA and TFL have never really gotten off the ground since their first season or so back in 1.0/1.1. UGC ran a few seasons, died, came back, and is now dying again. Leagues being active or not is purely based on player demand. If enough players are willing to play, a league will spring into action. Once those players stop playing, the league dies. It's pretty simple. Sadly, we haven't seen much in terms of new players entering the clan/league side of things (not counting "new" players coming from TFC). Hopefully that'll change in the future, but for now, pickups are likely the closest you'll get to an active league scene. __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington Last edited by squeek.; 04-24-2010 at 12:44 AM.

04-24-2010, 01:24 AM	#4
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	As long as you're upfront with your skill level and willing to learn, some people can be helpful. Some people can also be unforgiving. It might be useful to spectate some pickups first, practice things like concing on your own (or ask others for help), and then jump in. __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington Last edited by squeek.; 04-24-2010 at 01:24 AM.

04-24-2010, 08:24 PM	#7
hypno Wish I was sleepin' Join Date: Apr 2010 Class/Position: Still noobing it up. Gametype: CTF, Whatever the hell rock_2 is. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I don't really have a chronological order, but you probably might have seen me in KEA, TeH. , mF. , [inferno], [FOoM] (briefly), [FU] also briefly, I was in {ED} for a little bit too. Lots of others i'm almost postiive that no one has heard of / seen unless they were in them, lol. I was also an admin on Odin's Graveyard, so that's probably where you saw me a lot. Thanks, I like FF a lot, ^^. Also AfterShock, thanks for the tips on HH'in and Bhoping. I think I have bhopping down, but I seem to hit the cap easily or I just plain mess up I'm sure it'll come back to me with more practiace. HH'ing I'm getting the hang of, it's a different monster altogether when you're not compensating for 250+ ping and have to use a special timer ><. (Albeit a bit simpler, as well) Last edited by hypno; 04-24-2010 at 08:28 PM.

04-24-2010, 08:32 PM	#8
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	The bhop cap is a soft cap in FF. When you hit it, you just go back down to 140% of your max speed (semi-gradually). If you feel that you're slowing down while bhopping, it's likely not the cap that is doing that. Also, turn on hud_speedometer 1 to see your speed while bhopping. __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington

04-24-2010, 12:55 AM	#3
hypno Wish I was sleepin' Join Date: Apr 2010 Class/Position: Still noobing it up. Gametype: CTF, Whatever the hell rock_2 is. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Thanks for the quick reply, I really appreciate it. Do you think they'd mind someone who's rusty as hell? I still haven't quite figured out how to HH conc yet in this game (I had a special sound file in TFC that helped because I had 56k back then). Bhopping is still a little iffy sometimes for me, too.

04-24-2010, 11:34 AM	#5
AfterShock Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 45 Times	HH concing you simply jump right at on the last beep of the grenade timer, alternatively if you don't jump at all, you will do a mini-HH conc at 75% strength which is fairly horizontal. Bunny hopping is fairly straightforward given you can now hold space bar to automatically jump every time you hit the floor, so you just need to master air control (turn left and hold strafe left to turn left, etc). Just remember you don't press +forwards to bunny hop forwards (you only use strafe keys)

04-24-2010, 07:11 PM	#6
elwood el duke. Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: spy evryfring & med. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	What teams did you play for in TFC, Hypno? Your name sounds very familiar. Ohh and welcome to FF

04-24-2010, 09:42 PM	#9
elwood el duke. Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: spy evryfring & med. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	you being in KEA and TeH rings a bell as well as your Odin's reference. Last edited by elwood; 04-24-2010 at 09:42 PM.

04-25-2010, 08:54 AM	#10
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	...wait what's happening to UGC? I didn't realize that in my absence it was dying. That sucks I guess I should devote some time to UGC again since shit seems to be getting out of hand Sorry to derail this for a min...but I've been only semi-active for a bit now with school and work and hearing that UGC is dying is pretty depressing to me. __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

04-27-2010, 02:23 PM	#11
biohaZ Join Date: Sep 2009 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	its been dead for like 2+ months now satan

04-27-2010, 02:48 PM	#12
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	Tis true. To be honest the league was too long to maintain interest, should have been kept short and sweet. Don't know if it's possible to determine a winner in less matches, I don't even know how the scoring worked. There was less motivation in getting people for a match than a friendly just because you knew something wouldn't go right, especially playing the US guys with the time difference. It just didn't work __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999)

04-27-2010, 07:45 PM	#14
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	yeah, I had those fears when I started it up...and that's sad to hear. I didn't realize it had even been that long since I'd talked to PoC n shit __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

04-28-2010, 05:58 AM	#15
Tamerlane Join Date: Apr 2010 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	what's up hypno, I remember you! I just found out about fortress forever a couple days ago and thought I'd check it out...I also just registered here, too. I was really sad when I was looking for a server to play and found out there were hardly any players around.

04-28-2010, 06:11 AM	#16
Hawk Eye Who the fuck is this guy? D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: O Preferred Gametype: AvD Affiliations: [AE] Asseaters Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	If you idle in a server a bit (Rocket jump around, or practice concing or something), typically people will join the server. There's an awful lot of people looking at the server list, saying "nvm no one is playing", and not making any attempt past that.

04-28-2010, 12:36 PM	#17
hypno Wish I was sleepin' Join Date: Apr 2010 Class/Position: Still noobing it up. Gametype: CTF, Whatever the hell rock_2 is. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Hey Tam! Usually the TALOS server has some folks in it throughout the day, as well as the european pubs. TALOS - 207.210.252.163:27015 zE Palace1 (European) - 85.234.148.39:27025 Also [o-t] has a bunch of people on it sometimes too. They have a lot of rules about swearing and stuff though, so be forewarned. [O-T] 206.217.134.170:27016 Talos usually has people in the afternoon / evenings if you're EST (that's when I notice them, anyway). European pub has them off and on during the day, and I haven't been in o-t enough to get a feel of when people start getting on. Glad to see you though man, how you been?

04-30-2010, 03:18 AM	#19
Peppas Join Date: Jun 2009 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Old Timers need some new people to ban! Yeah i went there 1st warning!

06-20-2010, 10:40 PM	#20
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