FF_Well - ideas and suggestions

[mervaka]

indeed. being able to throw the flag out through the window is plenty already. making the water visibility range greater should be the easiest way to solve the water route problem.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Nezumi

I liked well 'cause it was the best for sneaking around (In pubs obviously).

Yeah, you could certainly screw around a lot on Well. Trying to have even a semi-competitive game on it (in pubs) was basicaly impossible, though. Trying to convince anyone (save the random O Engy) to defend the flag room was a challenge. I usually ended up just building SGs in the enemy attic.

[o_nezumi]

Ok, in ff_well make it so that as long as a button is held down somewhere in the base, the battlements open up enough to slip in/out. Like, a button in the attic that a teammate has to press to let someone with the flag out. The attic is out of the way enough that it's actually plausible to hide someone in there to hold the button.

[o_fresh]

having the bats big enough to go through would do nothing for well, the fact is that well is a 10 - 0 map, in an evenly contested game. As opposed to maps like openfire and high_flag that are 80 - 90 maps.

the fact is that part of wells ethos is that its relativley hard to attack and very fustrating to cap on. due to the size of the map and the fr, making its really easy to get into the fr would imo kill the map.

as for the water route, people under estimate what the route implies, if you get past the hev, your in the fr. a direct tunnel to the fr SHOULD be difficult to get into for that very reason. hevs are far from invincible and solid teamwork can easily push any hev aside.

[mervaka]

maybe there could be a sort of catwalk going over the top of the section between the FR and where the HW normally stands (the corner bit), so that there is easier access for an attack from round the FD -> FR way.

[o_wlvy]

Well is pretty much perfect as it is, although I like 2 of the ideas, the push in the water(could be a fan behind a grate, with a button at water ent, so only 1 med can use it at a time). and the water idea where on the surface its clear, on the bottom is murkey. Great idea!

[o_darknight]

I hate well. It's boring.

Spawn, go door, die. Spawn, go water, die. Repeat for 30mins and you have the extent of my enjoyment of well.

[o_afx]

Originally Posted by Fresh

a direct tunnel to the fr SHOULD be difficult to get into for that very reason. hevs are far from invincible and solid teamwork can easily push any hev aside.

All i'll say is that i guess you havnt played against a really good hwg, you are of course correct in that good teamwork can get you past a hwg but even then youre going to be very badly damaged and still have to get past a soldier sg and engineer oh and the rapidly returning hwg.

Im not saying make the water a nice easy direct route to the flagroom, it just needs to be altered a little to encourage the water defender to stay in position rather than doing as he can now where he can camp the fr and cover the water and anyone coming from T. This wont make the water neccesarily any easier it will simply balance the map a little more in the offences favour.

This is all conjecture of course since despite ff being based on tfc i shouldnt imagine anyone really has a clue whether or not ff well will play the same as tfc well.

[o_sizeablessonic]

Make it clear.

Why?






Underwater Sentry Guns. That alone is enough to justify making the water clear.

[o_valk]

sentries cant lock onto stuff outside the water, so why should u be able to see it? (this is tfc)

[o_eat]

We use the water textures from HL2 so expect more of the same...

[o_sizeablessonic]

Originally Posted by valk

sentries cant lock onto stuff outside the water, so why should u be able to see it? (this is tfc)

No but as soon as you enter water your dead.

[o_nezumi]

SGs can shoot through func_water water, can't they?

Will they be able to shoot through non-entity water in FF?

[mervaka]

hope so. it wouldnt be consistent else.

[o_fjorn]

SGs shoot out of water all the time...

thecove and castleargh3 have good examples of this...

[o_player]

Currently, in TFC, SGs do not shoot out of the water. Try it on Well, 2fort, Crossover2 and a load of other maps. The SG wont shoot you.

[o_someoldguy]

I actually enjoyed Well, even though it was quite a challenge on offense.

If you're still looking for "ideas and suggestions", here are a few:

a) have 2 front doors instead of one.
b) close off the upper balcony over the spawn areas to decrease spammage of the respawn areas
c) maybe think about a split water entrance about 1/2 way down the pipe exiting under the bridge in the FR?

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d) Make the building in the middle larger so as to decrease yard spam, and add ramps on the sides to the roof of the middle area
e) Add ladders or ramps to FR area, maybe at the back of the capture turret thingy

Just a few "thoughts". I don't want to take away from the challenge, but there needs to be a few more options for the offense to get to the flag, imo, and also to cut down on the way too many choke points .

My $.00000000000000000000000000002

[o_nezumi]

Ugh, ok, no more phrasing my wisdom as a question.

SGs can shoot in/out of water if the water is an entity. If the water is not an entity the SGs cannot shoot into or out of it. The water in well/2fort/etc. is non-entity water.

But generally all water in source is non-entity, yet is transparent (Which wasn't really possible in HL1). So that's why I'm asking.

[o_imbrifer]

I would like you not to add any additonal entrances - I think that would destroy the gameplay of well far too much. As for the spam, just decrease grenades in general if you think the nade spam is too much of a problem. I like the building in the middle being a challange and a choke point, so I'm against making so you can go over it or anything like that.. but making it a little bigger certainly wouldn't hurt.

[o_etzell]

Originally Posted by Imbrifer

I would like you not to add any additonal entrances - I think that would destroy the gameplay of well far too much. As for the spam, just decrease grenades in general if you think the nade spam is too much of a problem. I like the building in the middle being a challange and a choke point, so I'm against making so you can go over it or anything like that.. but making it a little bigger certainly wouldn't hurt.

I'm curious as how you could possibly decrease the amount of grenades on Well. Damn.