06-09-2010, 06:35 PM | #61 |
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That's a great idea. Instead of getting rid of elitism (the problem) we can instead just replace the elitists with a different breed of elitist. I can't wait for the great Fortress Forever purges. I got my infraction bunker constructed and my tinfoil hat shaped. I'm ready to go!
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06-09-2010, 07:07 PM | #62 |
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Someone on that special time of the month...
UKTFCL was full of what you class as elitists - they moved over to FF. I have no idea how long you have played the HL mods but elitism has been there from the start (and really took off around 2003 / 2004). You will never cure people of it, they also exist in every mod - unfortunately FF has a large percentage when you look at total numbers. There are far more elitists by volume in CSS but as a percentage they are tiny. At the moment it is ingrained within these forums and as a result the FF playing population will continue to decrease or remain at its tiny size compared to what it could be. Best way to remove the rot is to cut it out - you will never cure it here. |
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06-09-2010, 08:01 PM | #63 |
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If elitism is inevitable, why did you suggest banning people?
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06-10-2010, 01:04 AM | #64 | |
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Any help this mod can get would be great. With proper advertising and word of mouth I see this increasing the player population. Whether it be significantly, or only temporarily, it would be a help, as well as a challenge for current players. I would suggest teams of 2 or more would be better (also means new people who sign up have to bring a friend/friends), and the different skill brackets would make it appeal to newbies. Plan it out to coincide with 2.5 patch (however start sign ups and advertising before then), and I reckon you have yourself a winner EDIT: Negativity and excessive sarcasm really degrades the forums/game/community...I wish people would realize this and change their attitude for the better...it's one of the biggest killers of FF... Last edited by MASH; 06-10-2010 at 01:07 AM. Reason: Eye opener... |
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06-10-2010, 03:39 AM | #65 | |
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You can, however, provide a road and method to which completely new players to a FF like game can be successful by providing a route for them to be successful. I'm not talking about dumbing the game down. FF_Training is long overdue. This game should never have been released without some sort of basic training. With training 99% complete, the team has an opportunity to scrap the FF name, develop a new direction/goal, and provide a more casual player friendly game. You can go ahead and pay people to play in tournaments, but that just encourages a distinct separation between the casuals and the elitists. Joe Blow isn't going to be able to make a team full of experienced TFC/FF douches who won't consider lowering their nose to take in Joe Blow to win the same cash they are after. |
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06-10-2010, 07:42 AM | #66 |
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In the same way that you set rules and acceptable behaviours on a server, you set the same principles on this website / forum. If people will not act in accordance with those rules you ban them.
I am all for people excelling at something they are interested in - its a good thing. However, their attitude towards lesser players is frankly disgusting and the kind of thing you would expect in the play ground. |
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06-10-2010, 11:05 AM | #67 | |
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Shiiiiiiit boyee sounds like a good idea to me.
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06-10-2010, 11:12 AM | #68 |
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give it a rest -NOW. You're both already going around in petty circles even if you don't know it yet. YOU BOTH KNOW what the other is saying so just agree to see the two sides and accept that each other is on the other side. Not that bloody hard. So please don't start another shit fest out of the one that already exists.
CJ you know that's not what he meant. Stop picking at words!
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06-10-2010, 12:41 PM | #69 |
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It's redundant pointing out that people should be banned for being disrespectful. I had assumed the person who suggested going on a banning spree was suggesting we hand-pick who was fit and who wasn't fit to be part of the community to make it more appealing to beginners. Seriously. That's a terrible idea because it doesn't get rid of the elite. It creates a new one.
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06-10-2010, 01:21 PM | #70 |
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Elmo - I'm not trying to create another argument - just trying to add some positive comments. This is the first time I have visited these forums in two years. My intentions are to try and improve things not make things worse. I do not believe my points are petty.
I would not promote arbitary banning of members of the forum. Instead I would introduce a set of rules which would make the forum more friendly. Rules could go along the lines of: No personal attacks No swearing No abusive posts etc etc This would have the effect of making new people feel more welcome into what can be a fairly hostile environment. I believe there are many within these forums, who have the best interest of FF in their hearts, that would appreciate seeing such changes. However this is up to the admins as to whether they would want to see this done. I would not insist that server admins play the game my way or argue with their rules and I would not do so here. That does not however mean I will not provide constructive criticism, no one - including I - is above that. With being a very small community, the FF one can also be a very tight knit one and change will always be hard to bring about. Last edited by Barsteward; 06-10-2010 at 01:21 PM. |
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06-10-2010, 01:36 PM | #72 |
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The forums already have a code of conduct. The only problem with it is how it's enforced. The enforcement of these rules is often inconsistent and selective. I have been banned for stuff admins let others get away with openly. It's not just because they don't have the time to keep up with everything and everyone. They too have broken the rules with no ill consequence. There's a huge double standard on these forums. I don't know how long you've been around, but it will eventually become evident.
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06-10-2010, 01:49 PM | #73 |
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Just read the Forum Rules and as you say it is interesting to see how they are applied.
As I mentioned in my earlier post, with small groups you will often end up with an amount of favouritism being shown. Its the hardest thing to criticise your friend for their behaviour but if you are not capable of doing so - should you really be an admin? |
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06-10-2010, 05:21 PM | #74 |
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Sorry, I don't mean to attack - certainly not personally. My post was out of line and rash; I mean no disrespect. Blame it on getting sick of shit on this forum as we all apparently have. The thought of moving onto another argument that gets us nowhere causes me to outburst (irrational crap) now and again. Most of the time I don't bother posting at all.
I'm not alone in the development team in feeling increasingly demotivated by so much that goes on in the public and private parts of the forum. We try to look past it all in love for the game but yeah it gets hard.
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Dont worry about it - there is no way I would have put up with the things going on in this board for as long as you have.
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06-10-2010, 07:18 PM | #76 |
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06-10-2010, 10:37 PM | #77 |
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the idea that a select few dickheads ruined this game for everyone by scaring people away is just an excuse. there are a couple people in the community (no names mentioned) who i have heard give people a hard time in a pickup game and for the most part someone will say something in the new players defense. I dont think its fair to blame this games not so high player turnout on competitive players.
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Seems different to any EU pickups n such I've ever seen with new guys. Almost everyone tries to help them out. Kinda wish I was there to see it myself
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genghis tron im pretty sure ive only seen you play in maybe 2 pickup games :P but who were the people bad mouthing you if it happened so frequently?
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