Flagrun Suggestions

[Spider-Waffle]

The only thing the map really needs is a good system for the neutral flags. I think it should require a timely effort to retrieve flags from it. This way you can contest who gets the neutral flags.

[Doughnut-4|4-]

I really wouldn't change too much about the map - it's pretty good as is. I don't mind replacing the elevators with ladders and/or stairs personally. I don't think I'd want to see the battlements connected at all. I think the old side stairway in the yard is a little silly. A teleporter to spawns might be nice if done propperly. I might recomment instead of moving the flags (if your hope is to stop wall splash damage) instead indent that wall behind the flags a little. By doing this you'd keep old game play like sg placements and defensive positions of Soldiers and HWs... you'd be creating a less extreme change to the map.

[Player]

I agree with Waffleface; the neutral flags do need a change.

[Dr.Uudge]

Do you think we might see this map implimented in the next patch? Or are there still some significant work to do?

[Ohcanep]

Aye it's been a while since we last heard about this one, too.

[shadow]

make another bag in the enemy base for spies to resup.

[MikeQuist]

Depending on what I get done this weekend, I might have it ready by next week. It really depends on the devs opinion on whether it will be included.

[SoBe Green]

I'd like to see the battlements raised. They were too easy to conc on in TFC and resulted in mostly infect and run medics which was horrible if you were playing scout.

[Dr.Uudge]

Originally Posted by MikeQuist

Depending on what I get done this weekend, I might have it ready by next week. It really depends on the devs opinion on whether it will be included.

Man i would love to see this map ported over to FF. The CTF concepts are ok. But the whole capping/defending 4, with a lot of open spaces, that results in winning rounds, it feels good to see that fade out to black that says "your team captured all the flags."

On a side note, does anyone know of any port of FF_casbah? Or even a remake of casbah?

[stino]

Originally Posted by Ihmhi

Maps were a minimum of 40 hours work in TFC, and now with FF you have shit like LUA to worry about. Just a heads up. Yeah, though it seems you are very aware how time-involving it will be, especially since you will be learning stuff as it goes.

well, i just made my pushcanyon in eh, less then 8 hours
but i still have to do the lua and the caprooms.

[Ihmhi]

Yeah but you have done a bit more mapping than Circ, and your map is not ridiculously detailed like some of these Source mapzors. d:

[Dr.Uudge]

@mikequist
Did you get a response from the devs yet regarding ff_flagrun? I would love to see FF version of this, especially if it retains the 4 flag capping, wide flag rooms, middle ground, and multiple entrances. Even a beta would be nice, if you're willing to leak it.

[SoBe Green]

Originally Posted by Dr.Uudge

Man i would love to see this map ported over to FF. The CTF concepts are ok. But the whole capping/defending 4, with a lot of open spaces, that results in winning rounds, it feels good to see that fade out to black that says "your team captured all the flags."

On a side note, does anyone know of any port of FF_casbah? Or even a remake of casbah?

Long time ago me along with four other members here started on it and then everybody quit. Someone else picked up the job and then stopped. All of our work disappeared. And last I heard someone was starting from scratch on it but haven't heard anything in a year or so.

[Dr.Uudge]

Originally Posted by SoBe Green

Long time ago me along with four other members here started on it and then everybody quit. Someone else picked up the job and then stopped. All of our work disappeared. And last I heard someone was starting from scratch on it but haven't heard anything in a year or so.

"It" = flagrun? or "it" = casbah?

If you mean casbah, that sucks to hear that. That map is so good, it's on my friend's dod server. LOL. Man, so many good maps that would increase player database if they were ported/remade.

[SoBe Green]

Yea casbah. I'm not a great mapper especially on source. I was mostly just trying to lead the development of it but it was hard to keep people organized so it more or less was an abandoned project.

[Dr.Uudge]

Hey does anyone know if there's a different remake of flagrun other than mikquist's? Or any map of similar "capture 4 flags" mode?

[KubeDawg]

I know you're probably busy making this map right now, but maybe some pics would help?

[Crazycarl]

Originally Posted by Dr.Uudge

Hey does anyone know if there's a different remake of flagrun other than mikquist's? Or any map of similar "capture 4 flags" mode?

Yeah, I made one for TFC. It never got past the beta test stage (flags were bugged and started disappearing) but I'm going to sourceify it (read: add curvy brush work). It's like flagrun except the capture points are scattered around the base instead of in one spot.

[Dr.Uudge]

Originally Posted by Crazycarl

Yeah, I made one for TFC. It never got past the beta test stage (flags were bugged and started disappearing) but I'm going to sourceify it (read: add curvy brush work). It's like flagrun except the capture points are scattered around the base instead of in one spot.

oh snap. and there's more than 1 flag? like the game style is similar to flagrun, in that you need to cap all the flags in order to win, AND have to defend yours against the enemy team at the same time?

[Crazycarl]

Yeah, there are four flags, but you get points for each one you have at your base. I think I'll give a bonus if you cap all four, because that should be pretty tough to accomplish.

I don't remember how flagrun was scored. Did you only get points for getting all the flags?

I think the original flagrun can be improved a lot without changing the layout much. For one thing there's a lot of empty space that serves no purpose, yet other parts seem claustrophobic. I'd open up the middle ground, but still provide plenty of cover. That's one thing I like about the original, especially playing pyro.

The neutral flag spawn is rather awkward. There's no need to put them in that tower. I've played in games where a flag returned and people forgot about it for a long time. It just sat there in the tower.

One thing I really don't like is how flagrun does the exits from the midfield into enemy territory. They are these big boring wide tunnels (with an obvious curve for vis-blocking) that aren't fun to attack or to defend. I'd either find a way to make them shorter or put in some spots for defeners and sentries, making them good spots for front-line defense.

Then you come out into an open area in which you have to either mulch or rush past any defenders. Sometimes it's used for first line defense, but since it's not a chokepoint, it's not often used. I probably wouldn't change this too much, because this space acts as a buffer between the offense and the flags. A little better cover and height variation would not hurt.

Then you go into the flag area which has very narrow stairs and corridors. I'd definitely open these up a bit because they are prone to blocking. With cloaking, a spy could really terrorize the defense in here.

The spawns are good, they are well connected to the rest of the map. There's a potential for spawn camping off the battlements, but it's not a big problem with the amount of traffic coming out.