Hadez was distributing hacks in #ff.pickup

[Elmo]

I gotta say I like Hedez as a guy (definitely) but the evidence is against him

I'd like him to continue playing. I never suspected him of cheating

much fun to play with due to a great personality

[squeek.]

The euro pickup channel can handle this as they see fit. He's banned from the Gamesurge channel and the FF.PL server, and it will not be reversed unless he can somehow prove that he was framed.

[Gator-]

Going by screenshots brings the question that he could have been framed. Simple.

[squeek.]

But he wasn't. Simple.

[gibz]

It is going by both the screenshots and IRC chat

[MonoXideAtWork]

i just want to point out that you have to listen to gibz, just look at mark harmon. LOOK AT HIM!

[hadez]

Originally Posted by MonoXideAtWork

The evidence itself does not prove anything.

What motive does Hadez have to "destroy" the community?

What motive would Stiffy have to frame Hadez?

I'm with this guy.

Edit:

Originally Posted by squeek.

Session Start: Fri Jun 12 23:52:02 2009
Session Ident: BossStatus
[23:52] Session Ident: BossStatus (GameSurge, squeek) (~BossStatu@BossStatus.user.gamesurge)
[23:52] <BossStatus> Ever wanted to try fortress-forever but don't have time to learn the game? http://www.filedropper.com/***nottherealurl***
[23:52] <BossStatus> a simple way to success
01[23:52] <12squeek> OH REALLY?
01[23:52] <12squeek> I AM INTRIGUED
Session Time: Sat Jun 13 00:00:00 2009
Session Close: Sat Jun 13 13:01:34 2009

Squeek, i'm suprised you answered a private message. i've pmed you so many times with different things concerning the pickup channel you were "running" that i ran out of fingers to count on.

Originally Posted by EquilibriuM

Why should they punish trent? i mean come on hadez was afk 45min the chan. doesnt revolve around hadez does it?

And to you Equilibrium, i don't see you around the pickup channel that often. Squeek granted me access to start pickups in late feburary. Feburary till July, 5 months. At this time Gator was completely inactive and zoned out into Silkroad Online(the best game ever created).


www.ffpickup.com

after looking at the top admins i also want to point out that


http://ffpickup.com/?p=search&mode=&...=&player=&n=38

Gator got his admin over a year before i got admin and my goal was to pass him in the top admin position(a goal that will never be complete).

So no, trent shouldnt be blamed. me and trent are great friends i think alot of him and i'm sure he thinks the same about me.

On the other hand, i'm sure my dedication to the pickup channel will be remembered at its high times and not at the low.

All and all, i'd like to remind the community that if i were to be able to get this "BossStatus" cheat that i had to get it from another player in the community, and if i were to get it from another player in the community that it would only be a matter of time that everyone in the community would hear about such a cheat and decide whether or not it was in thier liking to use it. I've seen alot of bans lifted in the ff.pickup channel, between unreliable admin and pickup players and unacceptable bans(we won't mention any names spoon), hopefully the ff.pickup channel will learn forgive, but if they choose to forget farewell and i would like to thank all my friends in the goodfellas for all the great(cheat free) times we spent in matches and in pickups.


to name a few: Sabbath, Vinny, Killu, Gator, Trent, Hoopajoo, Exo, Ultima, and Sgt. Peppas.

and outside of goodfellas: Grimace, Drakonal, Geokill, David, Cloud, Elwood, Bowser, the_cake, impy, prince_of_cats, korey, cowpower, biohaz, cam, da_hef, fool, rookie, jimmy2times, losico, onE, spoon(good and bad times), blade, TML, Unrealistic, Crush and Odium.

If i missed you it wasnt nessesarily because i don't like you i prolly just forgot alot of names lol.


My last and final thanks would go out to Stiffy, all this couldnt of happened without you, i really mean it.

[snip] Flame free forum

[squeek.]

Farewell.

[GeoKill----->]

Originally Posted by hadez

and outside of goodfellas: Grimace, Drakonal, Geokill, David, Cloud, Elwood, Bowser, the_cake, impy, prince_of_cats, korey, cowpower, biohaz, cam, da_hef, fool, rookie, jimmy2times, losico, onE, spoon(good and bad times), blade, TML, Unrealistic, Crush and Odium.

<3 have a good one

[losico]

I knew that a thread like this would be inevitable after first seeing hacks for this game around January 09.

[Sabbath]

free hadez. honestly. community needs ppl. hes a good guy. if he did it or not. forgive and forget. PEOPLE DESERVE 2nd CHANCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stiffy]

Originally Posted by Sabbath

free hadez. honestly. community needs ppl. hes a good guy. if he did it or not. forgive and forget. PEOPLE DESERVE 2nd CHANCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A good guy that wanted to "destroy the FF community" because he got to angry over a pickup? Also what about Titan? Did everybody "forgive and forget" what he did? I don't know about everybody else but imo Titan used a hack in a pickup...ok cool, but Hadez went OUT of his way(literally spending probably about an hour or more on this little project waiting for his target changes to go away to PM people) to put a hack into everybody's hands that was in the pickup channel at that time and that to me is just about as bad as actually hacking in the game, especially for the reason he did it. Do people really want somebody in the community that would do something like that over such a stupid and immature reason? What's he going to do next time when he gets super pissed off over something so stupid? Sadly if this was a number of different people that did this ALL of you(including all the people who say he was "framed" and think he should be unbanned) would AUTOMATICALLY say "BAN" and not even question it what so ever, just like everybody did with Titan. What gets me is you all made a huge deal over Titan hacking and everybody thought right away he should get an immediate ban, but for the person who could have very well put the hack he used in his hands(and many others) you think it's no big deal. It just goes to show how bad some of you play the favorite game no matter what this "favorite" has done. I'm probably going to get flamed by Hadez followers and that's fine but I wanted to say how I felt on the subject.

[Rawh]

Heh...

Seeing all the evidence that just points in his way (w/e concidence it might be) he's on the banlist untill he can proof he's innocent. But I suppose he doesn't care since he hasn't been around on my servers before

@Stiffy
Holy cow dude, ever heard of the enter key? You lost me on your second sentence...

[Ricey]

Originally Posted by Sabbath

free hadez. honestly. community needs ppl. hes a good guy. if he did it or not. forgive and forget. PEOPLE DESERVE 2nd CHANCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, lets say a Good Guy robs a bank, because he's millions in debt for unknown reasons, but he's a good guy. Should he get a second chance? What if he does it again?

I know that is a bit on the extreme side, but in that case you'd say no contradicting yourself. Do some people deserve second chances? Yes, but that depends on the situation in hand. While Hadez may of not being hacking, he basically was encouraging people to do so with the file he was trying to distribute amongst the community, and in my eyes that is the same as using them.

Now, as Stiffy said, when Titan was caught hacking, he was tarred and feather the second he was caught, and not one person said, "Oh, but he's a good dude, give him another chance yo!"

No, I am not going against him because he was in Good Fellas, as I have never done a pickup or match with him, or that I can recall.

If he does prove his innocents, but by the looks of it, he doesn't care and has said his good byes.

Now, I shall proceed to do some more programming and bash my head into a rusted railroad spike.




Oh! Before I forget, elwood likes little boy midgets!

[gibz]

Oh, the feeling of rust on one's head in the morning.

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[Sabbath]

titan has been hacking for awhile. and i still played with him. so yeah i gave titan a 2nd chance.

yeah i would give the guy that was a million dollars in debt a second chance.

yeah i would give hadez a second chance.

probation period!!!!!!!!! if hes good for x amount of time he get removed.

thought it was innocent until proven guilty? you have to be 100% sure he is guilty. thats hard to prove.

[gibz]

Rule #3: Don't believe what you're told. DOUBLE CHECK.

[Stiffy]

Originally Posted by Sabbath

titan has been hacking for awhile. and i still played with him. so yeah i gave titan a 2nd chance.

yeah i would give the guy that was a million dollars in debt a second chance.

yeah i would give hadez a second chance.

probation period!!!!!!!!! if hes good for x amount of time he get removed.

thought it was innocent until proven guilty? you have to be 100% sure he is guilty. thats hard to prove.

It's actually sad that you can't look past your friendship with Hadez and realize that he really did do it. What else more needs to be proved seriously? Did anybody think that MAYBE if Hadez came out clean and fessed up to it that people would consider a "probation" period or something of the likes? What do you think I really went through ALL the time and thought up the whole story about Hadez being mad about a pickup and THEN went and edited a steam message from him to "frame" him? And then waited a month just to show it to people? I mean come on seriously now I couldn't even figure out how to enlarge the screenshot so Squeek could read it easily LOL, how would I be able to edit that steam message? I guess Hadez and his friends will deny it until the very end.

[Ricey]

Originally Posted by Sabbath

titan has been hacking for awhile. and i still played with him. so yeah i gave titan a 2nd chance.

yeah i would give the guy that was a million dollars in debt a second chance.

yeah i would give hadez a second chance.

probation period!!!!!!!!! if hes good for x amount of time he get removed.

thought it was innocent until proven guilty? you have to be 100% sure he is guilty. thats hard to prove.

Holy crap who taught you how to type?! or rather think in this matter. You knew titan was hacking for a while, but yet you didn't say nothing? I'll bet 100,000 if Stiffy was caught doing this and Hadez had "proof" you'd be ripping Stiffy a new cunt the size of Texas.

Also, it'd be very easy to prove if it really was Hadez or not. First, Valve hates hackers and I am sure they'd be happy to supply logs for that time stamp. May take a while. Same goes for GameSurge.

Innocent till proven guilty; you're still in fucking handcuffs in back of the cop car or in a jail cell.

[Sabbath]

He didnt make the hack. He didnt use it. He didnt make anyone DL it. HE LINKED IT....... HOW DID HE DESTROY THE COMMUNITY HE DIDNTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.

all he did was post a link. maybe he was drunk. maybe he was joking. doesnt matter.

If i post a link to myg0t website or ogc or some shit. and say im trying to destroy the internet. are u gonna ban me?