UGC FF - The good, the bad, the ugly! - Page 3

CHURCHMOUTH · 06-23-2009, 11:12 PM

this sounds really good and everything but i could see sign ups starting up and only 10 players actually signing up

Dr.Satan · 06-24-2009, 05:20 AM

well and if that happened it would suck, but that's why I'm trying to get the community feedback first and then moving forward instead of being all secretive and shit and then coming out with something that no one likes or is interested in. Hopefully in doing this we will end up with something that more than 10 people are interested in doing.

Lateralols` · 06-24-2009, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skanky Butterpuss

i agree with most of what has been said here. i stopped playing ugc because 5v5 was horrible, and the skill level of all the clans was all across the board, making for lots of blowouts and forfeits. on top of that, the clan that consistently lead the standings had no sense of sportsmanship, causing other clans to lose their own sense of sportsmanship and simply forfeit playing them out of spite. it got to be a big pissing match with a bunch of annoying twats e-thugging each other.

squeeks 4v4 pickup league was awesome, but only had a few active clans to start, and a few of those few dropped out after the first couple weeks, leaving only 2 or 3 clans to finish out the season. if i were ever going to play in a league again, it would only be a 4v4 ovd or 7v7/8v8 full. or a avd/hunted/waterpolo type league

i miss e-thugging you :[

Lateralols` · 06-24-2009, 11:14 AM

As far a post from me goes, it was the Fellas that killed it. As Skanky said, they didn't have a sense of sportsmanship. In not so polite terms, they were (for the most part) a conglomerate of previously banned cheating faggots lead by a dumbfuck. I have no problem calling it out, it's what they were. Geo can infract me all he wants, but its the truth - when the best clan in the game is the most flagrant reason to abandon the game, nobody is going to stick around.

End of story.

GeoKill-----> · 06-24-2009, 03:51 PM

Sportsmanship? It was not only the fellas, It was also GR and Mimmic (some other clan too, forgot which one) so yes that's something that should be really enforced next time.
Lets make this into a really friendly environment, away from TFC ego, away from hardcore competition, away from butt hurts like above. This league should be about playing a 30 minute game that should be enjoyable and fun.

So yes I agree with you lat... not so much with flaming though....

**Elmo** · 06-24-2009, 03:56 PM

bit harsh geo? lol it was on topic and so not really THAT bad. You said yourself that you agree

can i give you an infraction? lol

GeoKill-----> · 06-24-2009, 03:57 PM

The infraction system ban him not me lol

Hammock · 06-24-2009, 04:01 PM

The fellas might have raped fx every time we played them, but they were always polite with us. They didn't trash talk us during our matches or after, they never OvD'd or conducted other un-sportsmanship behavior.

We experienced more of that stuff from a couple members of gr, and mimic (not their entire roster, just a few members) way more than the fellas.

The only thing about the fellas is we knew they were always gonna win, so when we were in line to play them that week it was especially hard to get people to come out and play. That's the only un-sportsmanship conduct that came from them in my mind. How can you honestly have fun just creaming teams?

When I played rugby I'd rather loose 13-10 than win 72-0.

EO was definately my favorite clan to play, they were always very very close and intense matches, plus everyone was quite friendly to one another during/after our matches. They were definately a class act.

Oh, and AE was also fun to play too. Those were two clans in it for the fun, which made the evening fun for me.

GeoKill-----> · 06-24-2009, 04:07 PM

Tnx Hammock, you were always our favorite clan as well. I was getting really mad when we were not getting schedule together but when we finally played Phantom that one night, it was one of my favorite and most fun match I ever had.

So yes having different division would be a great idea since the majority of us knew we were going to loose to clans like Fellas and gr.

Hammock · 06-24-2009, 04:19 PM

Ya that phantom match I think was my most favorite match of the season, and we were dissapointed too when you couldn't fill the roster, we always looked forward to our matches

Dr.Satan · 06-24-2009, 06:11 PM

the problem with making ladders was / is that there just aren't enough clans out there to split the league like that. Seriously you would have like 2 in plat and 3 in bronze just playing each other over and over. Like yeah over time that would be the place we wanna get to, but currently the player base is just too small for something like that. That's why I'm liking these other ideas more...b/c they take the reliance off of the "clans" and put it on just players which we have some of

MonoXideAtWork · 06-24-2009, 08:29 PM

Dr. Satan, I believe you are confusing the two.

Leagues with divisions generate the stale gameplay you are descibing.

In a ladder system, the best teams go to the top, and are constantly challenged by people below them. All of the other teams are constantly fighting for to raise their standings.

They key to a successful competition is offering some sort of benefit to win. Free swag from sponsors is a great incentive!

Odium · 06-26-2009, 10:36 PM

well im liking all these ideas...
one thing i must say tho is for the 4v random team thing as well...if one person has something come up or is unable to make it to the match..wat happens to his 3 team mates? but i still like the idea of it

also we have put a small effort forth into getting some clans together...the small community we have still wants some sort of competition and is willing to put forth the effort (or so it seems.)

i already have 1 full team, blade i believe almost has a full roster, and i thought there was another team in the making...but i know of enough active players to get atleast 5 clans in...and what might I ask happened to all of the eO members...fx members...and all these people? haven't seen many around of any of the past clans...are they all retired like Teh Rape?

another thing...i don't like wednesday nights but wednesday has to be the day then sure...i only say this because (don't hate me) while these leagues were down i played in a tfc clan 5v for wednesday nights...and it just so happens that ff had matches wednesday nights =/ but hey...i will easily pick ff over tfc, so w/e day it is i will be there =)

Gator- · 06-27-2009, 12:18 AM

Hammock's post made Lat look like the usual retard that he is

The decreasing number of players and lack of updates is what killed the league. Hopefully live steam updates will attract new players, and thus higher chances that a league survives. Until then, enjoy the regular pickups and some good old pubbing.

GeoKill-----> · 06-27-2009, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odium

i already have 1 full team, blade i believe almost has a full roster, and i thought there was another team in the making...but i know of enough active players to get atleast 5 clans in...and what might I ask happened to all of the eO members...fx members...and all these people? haven't seen many around of any of the past clans...are they all retired like Teh Rape?

Well as for e0... is on Hiatus right now. I plan to bring it back around October when I moved into my apartment unless Ostrich or 50 Plan to do it before me then that would be great. The thing is, my gaming computer is in a storage place... and this computer I'm using has an integrated card, runs ff real shitty, plus my connection crappy too. (I'm living at someones house atm

) So yeah e0 will be back, I promise

GeoKill-----> · 06-27-2009, 08:33 PM

Double Post...

Ok so I spoke to Spoon and he mention something that might be true on why pickup league did not work that well.

Quote:

spoon: run the league the same way we ran 5v5 except with 4v4 teams and not for 30 minutes but for 15 minutes
:e0GeoKill: ya
spoon: like Wednesday nights
:e0GeoKill: doubt 5v5 will be back anyways
spoon: and not allowing ppl to play whenever
spoon: make a set date
spoon: so people KNOW
spoon: that there is a match that night
:e0GeoKill: exactly
spoon: and maybe
spoon: on the ff.pickup channel
spoon: squeek could make a reminder on tuesday night in the topic reminding ppl that there are matches the next day or something
spoon: i dunno

One thing I remember was not getting in contact with all my players to tell them what day I set the match to or I never got a chance to talk to the opponents leader.

**squeek.** · 06-27-2009, 09:03 PM

This was in the rules for FF.PL, by the way:

Quote:

If no match day/time can be agreed upon by either team, the match must be played at 9PM EST on SUNDAY NIGHT.

Hammock · 06-27-2009, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeoKill----->

Well as for e0... is on Hiatus right now. I plan to bring it back around October when I moved into my apartment unless Ostrich or 50 Plan to do it before me then that would be great. The thing is, my gaming computer is in a storage place... and this computer I'm using has an integrated card, runs ff real shitty, plus my connection crappy too. (I'm living at someones house atm

) So yeah e0 will be back, I promise

You moved and packed up your gaming computer? Man that's the one thing I always take seperately, it never gets packed, it comes with me in the car and it's one of the first things brought into my new place. Hell for my last move since I had a lot of time to plan ahead I even had the internet hooked up before I got there, and the cable guy scheduled for the day after I moved in.

GeoKill-----> · 06-28-2009, 02:09 AM

I would set it up where I'm living right now but I have no space. :/ So till I get my place I'll be back

killu · 06-29-2009, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squeek.

This was in the rules for FF.PL, by the way:

I think perhaps that may contributed to a lot of matches not being played. I think it would be better to set up a definitive time for the match to be played and then if needed the two clans can set up another time instead of the other way around.

06-23-2009, 11:12 PM	#41
CHURCHMOUTH crystaLcity D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Class/Position: Soldier D Gametype: Capture the Flag Affiliations: Goodfellas Posts Rated Helpful 7 Times	this sounds really good and everything but i could see sign ups starting up and only 10 players actually signing up __________________ 83745 L0LZ ff_nyx_b2 ff_schrape_b3 ff_security_b1 ff_baked_b2 ff_reloaded_b1 ff_mulch_dm_b2 ff_oppose_b1

06-24-2009, 05:20 AM	#42
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	well and if that happened it would suck, but that's why I'm trying to get the community feedback first and then moving forward instead of being all secretive and shit and then coming out with something that no one likes or is interested in. Hopefully in doing this we will end up with something that more than 10 people are interested in doing. __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

06-24-2009, 11:14 AM	#44
Lateralols` You're stumbling a little. Join Date: May 2009 Affiliations: mimic. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	As far a post from me goes, it was the Fellas that killed it. As Skanky said, they didn't have a sense of sportsmanship. In not so polite terms, they were (for the most part) a conglomerate of previously banned cheating faggots lead by a dumbfuck. I have no problem calling it out, it's what they were. Geo can infract me all he wants, but its the truth - when the best clan in the game is the most flagrant reason to abandon the game, nobody is going to stick around. End of story. User received an infraction for this post

06-24-2009, 03:51 PM	#45
GeoKill-----> Community Member Server Owner Beta Tester Forum Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hawthorne, California Class/Position: Soldier/Spy/Scout Gametype: AvD Affiliations: :e0:Eternal Order Leader Posts Rated Helpful 12 Times	Sportsmanship? It was not only the fellas, It was also GR and Mimmic (some other clan too, forgot which one) so yes that's something that should be really enforced next time. Lets make this into a really friendly environment, away from TFC ego, away from hardcore competition, away from butt hurts like above. This league should be about playing a 30 minute game that should be enjoyable and fun. So yes I agree with you lat... not so much with flaming though.... __________________ Fortress-Forever Guides All Your Mapping Needs :e0: Will live on Forever Support FF:

06-24-2009, 03:56 PM	#46
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	bit harsh geo? lol it was on topic and so not really THAT bad. You said yourself that you agree can i give you an infraction? lol __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999) Last edited by Elmo; 06-24-2009 at 03:58 PM.

06-24-2009, 03:57 PM	#47
GeoKill-----> Community Member Server Owner Beta Tester Forum Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hawthorne, California Class/Position: Soldier/Spy/Scout Gametype: AvD Affiliations: :e0:Eternal Order Leader Posts Rated Helpful 12 Times	The infraction system ban him not me lol __________________ Fortress-Forever Guides All Your Mapping Needs :e0: Will live on Forever Support FF:

06-24-2009, 04:01 PM	#48
Hammock D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 13 Times	The fellas might have raped fx every time we played them, but they were always polite with us. They didn't trash talk us during our matches or after, they never OvD'd or conducted other un-sportsmanship behavior. We experienced more of that stuff from a couple members of gr, and mimic (not their entire roster, just a few members) way more than the fellas. The only thing about the fellas is we knew they were always gonna win, so when we were in line to play them that week it was especially hard to get people to come out and play. That's the only un-sportsmanship conduct that came from them in my mind. How can you honestly have fun just creaming teams? When I played rugby I'd rather loose 13-10 than win 72-0. EO was definately my favorite clan to play, they were always very very close and intense matches, plus everyone was quite friendly to one another during/after our matches. They were definately a class act. Oh, and AE was also fun to play too. Those were two clans in it for the fun, which made the evening fun for me. Last edited by Hammock; 06-24-2009 at 04:03 PM.

06-24-2009, 04:07 PM	#49
GeoKill-----> Community Member Server Owner Beta Tester Forum Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hawthorne, California Class/Position: Soldier/Spy/Scout Gametype: AvD Affiliations: :e0:Eternal Order Leader Posts Rated Helpful 12 Times	Tnx Hammock, you were always our favorite clan as well. I was getting really mad when we were not getting schedule together but when we finally played Phantom that one night, it was one of my favorite and most fun match I ever had. So yes having different division would be a great idea since the majority of us knew we were going to loose to clans like Fellas and gr. __________________ Fortress-Forever Guides All Your Mapping Needs :e0: Will live on Forever Support FF:

06-24-2009, 04:19 PM	#50
Hammock D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 13 Times	Ya that phantom match I think was my most favorite match of the season, and we were dissapointed too when you couldn't fill the roster, we always looked forward to our matches

06-24-2009, 06:11 PM	#51
Dr.Satan Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greeley, CO Class/Position: Med / Solly Gametype: PAYLOAD Affiliations: DET- Posts Rated Helpful 19 Times	the problem with making ladders was / is that there just aren't enough clans out there to split the league like that. Seriously you would have like 2 in plat and 3 in bronze just playing each other over and over. Like yeah over time that would be the place we wanna get to, but currently the player base is just too small for something like that. That's why I'm liking these other ideas more...b/c they take the reliance off of the "clans" and put it on just players which we have some of __________________ FF Community Map Pack(s): 1 / 2 (Released) conc_school \| hellion_classic \| ksour_PAYLOAD \| mulch_faf (Beta) alchimy_b1 (Lua) base_payload_2015 (Models) props_trainyard Support FF:

06-24-2009, 08:29 PM	#52
MonoXideAtWork Pub Allstar! Beta Tester Join Date: Aug 2008 Class/Position: under en kvinna Gametype: Capture the Flag Affiliations: Eternal Order, Must be h4x, Mono's happy funtime. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Dr. Satan, I believe you are confusing the two. Leagues with divisions generate the stale gameplay you are descibing. In a ladder system, the best teams go to the top, and are constantly challenged by people below them. All of the other teams are constantly fighting for to raise their standings. They key to a successful competition is offering some sort of benefit to win. Free swag from sponsors is a great incentive!

06-26-2009, 10:36 PM	#53
Odium Join Date: Jun 2009 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	well im liking all these ideas... one thing i must say tho is for the 4v random team thing as well...if one person has something come up or is unable to make it to the match..wat happens to his 3 team mates? but i still like the idea of it also we have put a small effort forth into getting some clans together...the small community we have still wants some sort of competition and is willing to put forth the effort (or so it seems.) i already have 1 full team, blade i believe almost has a full roster, and i thought there was another team in the making...but i know of enough active players to get atleast 5 clans in...and what might I ask happened to all of the eO members...fx members...and all these people? haven't seen many around of any of the past clans...are they all retired like Teh Rape? another thing...i don't like wednesday nights but wednesday has to be the day then sure...i only say this because (don't hate me) while these leagues were down i played in a tfc clan 5v for wednesday nights...and it just so happens that ff had matches wednesday nights =/ but hey...i will easily pick ff over tfc, so w/e day it is i will be there =)

06-27-2009, 12:18 AM	#54
Gator- FF God Join Date: May 2007 Location: TX Class/Position: Scout O, Medic O, Demo D/O, Soldier D Gametype: CTF 4v4 Affiliations: [milkwood] ( GoodFellas ) Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Hammock's post made Lat look like the usual retard that he is The decreasing number of players and lack of updates is what killed the league. Hopefully live steam updates will attract new players, and thus higher chances that a league survives. Until then, enjoy the regular pickups and some good old pubbing. User received an infraction for this post __________________ FF_ROASTED_CLASSIC [RELEASED] FF_EVENFLOW_B2 [RELEASED] FF_OPPOSE_B1 [COMING SOON] Last edited by Gator-; 06-27-2009 at 12:20 AM.

06-28-2009, 02:09 AM	#59
GeoKill-----> Community Member Server Owner Beta Tester Forum Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hawthorne, California Class/Position: Soldier/Spy/Scout Gametype: AvD Affiliations: :e0:Eternal Order Leader Posts Rated Helpful 12 Times	I would set it up where I'm living right now but I have no space. :/ So till I get my place I'll be back __________________ Fortress-Forever Guides All Your Mapping Needs :e0: Will live on Forever Support FF:

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