Phillies Spectator Tasered when he runs out on the field and evades Police - Page 2

stray kitten · 05-11-2010, 12:02 AM

I have seen people trampled to death when they all follow the first dude jumping onto the field and it becomes a riot. Of course that was in Euope where they are batshit crazy at a soccer game - but that is perhaps one angle to look at. Controlling those 80,000 or so people drinking beer just a few hundred feet away from the field.

My guess is the next dude that thinks it's funny to run on the field might think about it. And there is not really a non-violent way to stop someone from running around. Unless you hang and and just wait for it. Grabbing him is violent. Pushing... violent. Physical force is ultimately going to be necessary in some form. Even the act of escorting him so he doesn't run away is violent.

FrenchToast · 05-11-2010, 01:58 AM

Anybody who still thinks streaking is vaguely interesting or worth the other thousands of peoples times can be tasered till the cows come home. Can't make myself care.

**Ricey** · 05-11-2010, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GenghisTron

Stupid hippy bullshit.

They could of shot him in the head, i don't care, don't mess with the game!

Etzell · 05-11-2010, 04:25 AM

Honestly, what do you expect them to do? Ask him nicely to not run around on the field like a dickhead? They did that already, when they built the place.

And, Genghis, way to overreact about the Correspondent's dinner. Pick your spots.

GenghisTron · 05-11-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ricey

They could of shot him in the head, i don't care, don't mess with the game!

*not a hippy*

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Originally Posted by Etzell

Honestly, what do you expect them to do? Ask him nicely to not run around on the field like a dickhead? They did that already, when they built the place.

Read what I said.

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Originally Posted by Etzell

And, Genghis, way to overreact about the Correspondent's dinner. Pick your spots.

I'm not overreacting, I just refused to be de-sensitized to violence. It's kind of morbid when the very same guy who has increased the frequency of drone attacks (which lead to the deaths of hundreds of civilians), makes a joke about it, and then the very next day goes on air saying that the US will pursue who kills civilians. It's the same as Bush #43 joking about not being able to find WMD's. It's a kind of morbid arrogance packaged into a 'joke'. Sure, the joke was 'funny', but it's as funny as Hitler joking about his gas chambers to a bunch of socialites.

Etzell · 05-11-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GenghisTron

Read what I said.

You said that you're sure he won't do that again, after talk of community service. This worked just as well. What about Stray Kitten's post? The one where the guy is going to get dealt with "violently" regardless.
I, personally, don't see an issue. Your video of the person being tased off the bridge is unfortunate, but it isn't a very solid argument against the use of tasers 100% of the time. It's a solid argument for having rules and punishments, but that's about it.

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Originally Posted by GenghisTron

I'm not overreacting, I just refused to be de-sensitized to violence. It's kind of morbid when the very same guy who has increased the frequency of drone attacks (which lead to the deaths of hundreds of civilians), makes a joke about it, and then the very next day goes on air saying that the US will pursue who kills civilians. It's the same as Bush #43 joking about not being able to find WMD's. It's a kind of morbid arrogance packaged into a 'joke'. Sure, the joke was 'funny', but it's as funny as Hitler joking about his gas chambers to a bunch of socialites.

And his joke about hiding all kinds of things in the healthcare bill? Was that Hitler-esque as well? Once again, pick your spots. It's the Correspondent's Dinner, the whole point of that is to be able to poke fun at what the other side's been saying. A little levity isn't the end of the world. Was it the funniest thing I'd ever heard? No. Did I even laugh out loud? I strongly doubt it. Was it worth screaming about how de-sensitized I am? Probably not. The target of the joke was absurd. The idea of sending a predator drone after the Jonas Brothers for going after your daughter is also absurd. Don't you think you're taking it a TOUCH too seriously?

uBeR · 05-12-2010, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Etzell

It's a solid argument for having rules and punishments, but that's about it.

Actually... there are.

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled, in accordance with the Supreme Court ruling in Graham v. Connor, that Tasers should only be used when "the suspect poses an immediate threat to the officer or a member of the public." Furthermore, the court finds, "A desire to resolve quickly a potentially dangerous situation is not the type of government interest that, standing alone, justifies the use of force that may cause serious injury." Even in this case, nothing close to "a potentially dangerous situation" is applicable. Moreover, the Taser manufacturer notes that the product is only to be used to "incapacitate dangerous, combative or high-risk subjects."

As I said, there's a reason for that. Good reasons, in fact.

GenghisTron · 05-12-2010, 02:14 AM

Yea, I already pointed out how the appeals court said it was illegal, but I mean, it disrupted a sports event. Fuck.

stray kitten · 05-12-2010, 03:33 PM

I don't think anyone would make a case that the bridge incident was not foolish, hazardous, reflects poor judgment in the case of those responsible and is right bull shit.

As for the sports event there is nothing in the ruling uBer posted that would dictate it was not appropriate. It seen that it would be pretty easy to make a case there was a high potential for a dangerous situation, either through player assault or crowd control.

And a shot through the head would definitely disrupt the game. Probably cancel it in fact.

battery · 05-25-2010, 09:11 AM

You people over in the West Coast and East Coast have long tolerated lawlessness in your neighborhoods. In Texas, police officers are given firearms to enforce the law (not merely to protect themselves). Crime suspects are given at least one opportunity to surrender to the police. If the suspect attempt to resist arrest or try to make a run, he had better be well armored and well trained. Turning around and flee from an armed law enforcement officer is a losing proposition, the most stupid thing anyone can do. It should be common knowledge that men cannot outrun bullets.
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BinaryLife · 05-25-2010, 02:39 PM

I continue to not have a problem with less lethal force being used in this, and as many circumstances where a gun could be used. I agree that there is a risk, but I don't care. All the recent situations, including this one have nothing to do with people fighting for their rights. They have to do with people disrupting the public or getting in the way of the law. I'd rather them not be shot, since killing them is extreme, tazing them is much better. Once the electric flow stops other than the pins the person is unharmed in most cases. It's simply a reminder that you aren't the only person on this earth and other people don't like you screwing around with their peace.

05-11-2010, 12:02 AM	#21
stray kitten mjau D&A Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Class/Position: kittens are sneaky, spy Gametype: Capture the mouse Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	I have seen people trampled to death when they all follow the first dude jumping onto the field and it becomes a riot. Of course that was in Euope where they are batshit crazy at a soccer game - but that is perhaps one angle to look at. Controlling those 80,000 or so people drinking beer just a few hundred feet away from the field. My guess is the next dude that thinks it's funny to run on the field might think about it. And there is not really a non-violent way to stop someone from running around. Unless you hang and and just wait for it. Grabbing him is violent. Pushing... violent. Physical force is ultimately going to be necessary in some form. Even the act of escorting him so he doesn't run away is violent. __________________ 6 of the 10 richest counties in America now surround Washington D.C. Our "capitol" edged out Silicon Valley as the nation's richest metro area. Reality Distortion Field = 1. Stream the distractions: One percent, hoodies, and kony oh my. Last edited by stray kitten; 05-11-2010 at 12:05 AM.

05-11-2010, 01:58 AM	#22
FrenchToast The 1337est D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Omagosh Canada. Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Anybody who still thinks streaking is vaguely interesting or worth the other thousands of peoples times can be tasered till the cows come home. Can't make myself care. __________________ James, while John had had 'had', had had 'had had' ; 'had had' had had a better effect on the teacher.

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GenghisTron AKA LittleAndroidMan D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dystopia Class/Position: Demo/Medic Gametype: CTF Affiliations: [TALOS] [SR] Posts Rated Helpful 11 Times	Yea, I already pointed out how the appeals court said it was illegal, but I mean, it disrupted a sports event. Fuck. __________________ The Catacombs Steam Last.fm

05-12-2010, 03:33 PM	#29
stray kitten mjau D&A Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Class/Position: kittens are sneaky, spy Gametype: Capture the mouse Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	I don't think anyone would make a case that the bridge incident was not foolish, hazardous, reflects poor judgment in the case of those responsible and is right bull shit. As for the sports event there is nothing in the ruling uBer posted that would dictate it was not appropriate. It seen that it would be pretty easy to make a case there was a high potential for a dangerous situation, either through player assault or crowd control. And a shot through the head would definitely disrupt the game. Probably cancel it in fact. __________________ 6 of the 10 richest counties in America now surround Washington D.C. Our "capitol" edged out Silicon Valley as the nation's richest metro area. Reality Distortion Field = 1. Stream the distractions: One percent, hoodies, and kony oh my.

05-25-2010, 09:11 AM	#30
battery D&A Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You people over in the West Coast and East Coast have long tolerated lawlessness in your neighborhoods. In Texas, police officers are given firearms to enforce the law (not merely to protect themselves). Crime suspects are given at least one opportunity to surrender to the police. If the suspect attempt to resist arrest or try to make a run, he had better be well armored and well trained. Turning around and flee from an armed law enforcement officer is a losing proposition, the most stupid thing anyone can do. It should be common knowledge that men cannot outrun bullets. ________ Blowjob sex Last edited by battery; 03-31-2011 at 01:15 PM.

05-11-2010, 04:25 AM	#24
Etzell D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Honestly, what do you expect them to do? Ask him nicely to not run around on the field like a dickhead? They did that already, when they built the place. And, Genghis, way to overreact about the Correspondent's dinner. Pick your spots.

05-25-2010, 02:39 PM	#31
BinaryLife Posts: 1 bajillion D&A Member Wiki Team Join Date: Mar 2007 Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	I continue to not have a problem with less lethal force being used in this, and as many circumstances where a gun could be used. I agree that there is a risk, but I don't care. All the recent situations, including this one have nothing to do with people fighting for their rights. They have to do with people disrupting the public or getting in the way of the law. I'd rather them not be shot, since killing them is extreme, tazing them is much better. Once the electric flow stops other than the pins the person is unharmed in most cases. It's simply a reminder that you aren't the only person on this earth and other people don't like you screwing around with their peace.

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