what about cheats...

o_grom · 06-29-2005, 04:25 PM

is FF going to use VAC/VAC2 for anti cheat? im sure that someone will make hax for it. so my questions are:

1. Will it use VAC/VAC2?
2. If not VAC, then what?

o_qui · 06-29-2005, 04:25 PM

2.

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Circuitous · 06-29-2005, 04:27 PM

VAC/VAC2 is apparently limited only to games Valve is developing/supporting.

o_kaxxil · 06-29-2005, 08:30 PM

are you kidding? your game is fucked

i mean it's bad enough how many people have gotten busted for cheating in TFC, when those people go to a mod with NO anti-cheat

o_billdoor · 06-29-2005, 08:33 PM

If widespread cheating becomes a problem after release, then we can look at developing our own anti-cheat system. It isn't a priority at the moment, obviously, since getting the mod finished is more important right now.

o_kaxxil · 06-29-2005, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billdoor

If widespread cheating becomes a problem after release, then we can look at developing our own anti-cheat system. It isn't a priority at the moment, obviously, since getting the mod finished is more important right now.

oh ok, i didn't know this was actually an option to devs

o_otiz · 06-29-2005, 10:33 PM

Not an option? There are quite a few third party anti-cheat programs out there now (Cheating Death and Punkbuster) so the FF team shouldn't have a problem making their own.

o_fresh · 06-29-2005, 10:38 PM

you cant make an anti cheat since FF is NOT TFC. and you dont know WHAT they will exploit nor the path they choose. You need to build an anticheat after cheats have been created/found out. IMO

o_morrow · 06-29-2005, 11:39 PM

there are ways for them to do a anti cheat. Keep in mind that THEY are the ones building this mod. so THEY know first hand what should and what shouldnt be.

even if it checks to make sure it has the same file.

plus if some loser is speedhacking adn shooting people thru walls its pretty obvious.

o_nuk3m · 06-29-2005, 11:57 PM

they are coders, if they wanted to, after the beta is finished, before distribution, they can code their own hacks, see if they work then go from there. there is no perfect program. everything has a flaw. so what they could do it work around their own code find flaws and fix them

o_morrow · 06-30-2005, 12:39 AM

Reverse-Engineering

i know i know. EVERYTHING has a flaw, locks are to keep good people out.

Dospac · 06-30-2005, 07:07 AM

I bet kiwwa would give us punkbuster support, if he's still runnin the show at PB.

o_kam · 06-30-2005, 07:21 AM

VAC2 ftw and maybe some built in anticheat stuff imo

o_fresh · 06-30-2005, 08:54 AM

If anything make it build-in since third party is so 2003.

**mervaka** · 06-30-2005, 11:27 AM

but then im guessing its easier for third party programs to download updates

o_thenuke0 · 06-30-2005, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billdoor

If widespread cheating becomes a problem after release, then we can look at developing our own anti-cheat system. It isn't a priority at the moment, obviously, since getting the mod finished is more important right now.

you should add this as you second priority ( after bugs fixes from player feedback) for an update.
cause there will be surly cheaters.

**mervaka** · 06-30-2005, 04:28 PM

seeing as most of the online community is playing CS at the moment i can believe that :p

o_morrow · 07-01-2005, 12:04 AM

well seeing has VAC has flaw and VAC2 has flaws.

remember what happend to the Titanic guys...... yea well same thing with VAC2.

There seems to be ways around everything. should just have it so that the players .cfg or what ever file hacks effect and stuff has to be the same as the servers or what ever. thus if a server has a diffrent cfg then its suppose to. then people in the server would be "haxors"

should have it so you guys have the right to ban servers and stuff too..

o_sigma · 07-01-2005, 09:06 AM

I figure there is easy stuff they can do... checksum some files or something simple to prevent ignorant idiots from cheating...

Then the hard part... Encourage the dev-team to try and cheat (and they have access to the code) and they can work together as a team to break their cheats... Of course 10 people trying to cheat with access to code will probably miss a lot stuff. If there are some 5000+ (i'm being optimistic about the number of players) just doing random stuff, they will discover a couple of cheats.

Just try and let the dev-team cheat... I dare them to (probably one way to fix some holes).

Defrag · 07-01-2005, 10:26 AM

I'm sure I read somewhere that VAC and VAC2 don't function correctly with 3rd party mods. I could be wrong, though.

06-29-2005, 04:25 PM	#1
o_grom Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	what about cheats... is FF going to use VAC/VAC2 for anti cheat? im sure that someone will make hax for it. so my questions are: 1. Will it use VAC/VAC2? 2. If not VAC, then what?

06-29-2005, 04:27 PM	#3
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	VAC/VAC2 is apparently limited only to games Valve is developing/supporting. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

07-01-2005, 09:06 AM	#19
o_sigma Join Date: May 2005 Location: Corner of no and where Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Just try and cheat I figure there is easy stuff they can do... checksum some files or something simple to prevent ignorant idiots from cheating... Then the hard part... Encourage the dev-team to try and cheat (and they have access to the code) and they can work together as a team to break their cheats... Of course 10 people trying to cheat with access to code will probably miss a lot stuff. If there are some 5000+ (i'm being optimistic about the number of players) just doing random stuff, they will discover a couple of cheats. Just try and let the dev-team cheat... I dare them to (probably one way to fix some holes).

07-01-2005, 10:26 AM	#20
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'm sure I read somewhere that VAC and VAC2 don't function correctly with 3rd party mods. I could be wrong, though. __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

06-29-2005, 04:25 PM	#2
o_qui Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bournemouth, England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	2. Admins

06-29-2005, 08:30 PM	#4
o_kaxxil Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	are you kidding? your game is fucked i mean it's bad enough how many people have gotten busted for cheating in TFC, when those people go to a mod with NO anti-cheat

06-29-2005, 08:33 PM	#5
o_billdoor Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	If widespread cheating becomes a problem after release, then we can look at developing our own anti-cheat system. It isn't a priority at the moment, obviously, since getting the mod finished is more important right now.

06-29-2005, 10:33 PM	#7
o_otiz Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Iceland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Not an option? There are quite a few third party anti-cheat programs out there now (Cheating Death and Punkbuster) so the FF team shouldn't have a problem making their own.

06-29-2005, 10:38 PM	#8
o_fresh Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brum. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	you cant make an anti cheat since FF is NOT TFC. and you dont know WHAT they will exploit nor the path they choose. You need to build an anticheat after cheats have been created/found out. IMO

06-29-2005, 11:39 PM	#9
o_morrow Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	there are ways for them to do a anti cheat. Keep in mind that THEY are the ones building this mod. so THEY know first hand what should and what shouldnt be. even if it checks to make sure it has the same file. plus if some loser is speedhacking adn shooting people thru walls its pretty obvious.

06-29-2005, 11:57 PM	#10
o_nuk3m Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersy, USA! reppin' Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	they are coders, if they wanted to, after the beta is finished, before distribution, they can code their own hacks, see if they work then go from there. there is no perfect program. everything has a flaw. so what they could do it work around their own code find flaws and fix them

06-30-2005, 12:39 AM	#11
o_morrow Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Reverse-Engineering i know i know. EVERYTHING has a flaw, locks are to keep good people out.

06-30-2005, 07:07 AM	#12
Dospac Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I bet kiwwa would give us punkbuster support, if he's still runnin the show at PB.

06-30-2005, 07:21 AM	#13
o_kam Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	VAC2 ftw and maybe some built in anticheat stuff imo

06-30-2005, 08:54 AM	#14
o_fresh Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brum. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	If anything make it build-in since third party is so 2003.

06-30-2005, 11:27 AM	#15
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	but then im guessing its easier for third party programs to download updates

06-30-2005, 04:28 PM	#17
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	seeing as most of the online community is playing CS at the moment i can believe that :p

07-01-2005, 12:04 AM	#18
o_morrow Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	well seeing has VAC has flaw and VAC2 has flaws. remember what happend to the Titanic guys...... yea well same thing with VAC2. There seems to be ways around everything. should just have it so that the players .cfg or what ever file hacks effect and stuff has to be the same as the servers or what ever. thus if a server has a diffrent cfg then its suppose to. then people in the server would be "haxors" should have it so you guys have the right to ban servers and stuff too..

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