Next patch is in beta! - Page 20

Phisionary · 02-05-2008, 11:18 PM

Well, 2.0 is a welcome release, but I think there should be no further releases (other than minor bugfixes that may be necessary) until there are a couple more official maps ready to release. Trade in your coding books (whatever) for air-horns and cattle prods and keep those mappers up all night.

Seriously, what happened to the maps from the media page, anyway? bases, openfire, rock2, uno? I remember seeing the uno screenies from so long ago, they were one of the first ones out, and they looked so awesomely good it got me excited about FF. So wut up?

greenday5494 · 02-05-2008, 11:28 PM

yea, ive been waiting for rock2 for a while.

Iggy · 02-05-2008, 11:39 PM

Well, don't look for rock2 anytime soon. The map hasn't been worked on since the person who was doing it vanished. From what I've seen on the beta, it's maybe 20% complete. I've kicked the idea around in the Beta forums about having a good community-mapper doing it(probably from scratch), but most of said mappers are in the beta, and all are busy on other projects.

Right now, I'm considering learning how to make maps...just so I can fuck it up real bad and have everyone hate me for a change.

Hey, I love Rock2 in TFC! It was a great map when I first played it(in fact, it's still my favorite to play!) and I believe it can be a fantastic FF map!

Jiggles · 02-06-2008, 12:33 AM

It would be nice to put off release until more maps are done, but that's practically too long to wait. A good quality Source map takes a lot of time and iterations.

greenday5494 · 02-06-2008, 03:17 AM

oh, and take out the rain it has in it. it causes erractic behaviour with the spy's cloak shaders, same thing with fog.

Vicious · 02-06-2008, 01:09 PM

It's my birthday... where's my patch/present?

chilledsanity · 02-06-2008, 03:15 PM

Hey I looked at the changelog and it's saying 1.1s now for blue pipes. I have two questions:

1. Will there be an option to switch between it and the 2.5s timer?

2. Has anyone tested beta 2.0 (like 10 times or more) on ff_dustbowl and been able to prevent offense from winning a round?

Dr.Satan · 02-06-2008, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chilledsanity

Hey I looked at the changelog and it's saying 1.1s now for blue pipes. I have two questions:

1. Will there be an option to switch between it and the 2.5s timer?
- Maybe, it's being discussed, although you really should give the new timer a chance as it makes a huge difference.
2. Has anyone tested beta 2.0 (like 10 times or more) on ff_dustbowl and been able to prevent offense from winning a round?
- Yes, every time we have tested we have played dustbowl and you are able to hold the O just gotta be co-ordinated.

chilledsanity · 02-06-2008, 06:09 PM

Satan:

1. Don't get me wrong, I think 1.1s timers sound awesome for close-quarters combat, but most of the time in dustbowl that's not what I'm dealing with.

2. Well I'm still skeptical about the balance, but thanks for giving us a confirmation that it has been tested.

~kev~ · 02-06-2008, 07:30 PM

Where are the toys for the noobs?

During the course of FF development, someone decided to add the over heat to the HW guy - terrible, terrible idea. In TFC the noobs loved the HW guy because he was just point and shoot. It was that easy. Noobs loved mowing down medics and scouts. The HW guy was a class anyone could play, no skills, no problem.

But, someone, who ever it was, said "lets make the HW guy harder to play" or "the hw guy is too powerful, lets slow him down a little" - now the noobs have nothing.

The over heat is supposed to be removed, that is an excellent first step - but the noobs need at least 2 easy classes to play. In TFC it was the engineer and HW guy.

Lets make the game as easy as possible for people to play. The more complex, the more likely people are to play something else. I just want to play, I do not want to be bothered by a menu, or a gun over heating, or anything else. I just want to pull the trigger and shoot something.

Skanky Butterpuss · 02-06-2008, 07:43 PM

im moving this to the beta changelog thread since it is being addressed in the new patch and thus does not need its own thread.

Credge · 02-06-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ~kev~

I just want to play, I do not want to be bothered by a menu, or a gun over heating, or anything else. I just want to pull the trigger and shoot something.

Eh? Three classes have menus, one of which has a simple 'seconds' radial menu, one of which has a simple detonate, dismantle, and aim radial menu and the other, which is a more 'advanced' class has a more complex radial menu... which still isn't very complex anyway.

This isn't a deathmatch game. It's got a bit of depth to it.

greenday5494 · 02-06-2008, 08:47 PM

actually, all classes have menus, the medic menu

Credge · 02-06-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by greenday5494

actually, all classes have menus, the medic menu

When you use secondary fire, or build something does a menu appear? If you answered no to this question, then the class does not have a menu.

Nobody uses anything else unless to be annoying.

greenday5494 · 02-06-2008, 09:16 PM

press Z in-game, if Z is on the default bind.

CaLeB- · 02-07-2008, 02:59 AM

Here is a few things I hope the developers took care of for the 2.0 Patch.

Head hitbox: Sometimes you can shoot someone right on the head (with blood included) with a sniper rifle, but they are remained unaffected.
Locations for the map FF_Cz2.
Missing weapon animations (ex: Shotgun, Railgun, etc.).
Decal marks left on a cloaked spy (usually scorches).
Class menus suddenly disappearing randomly when holding the button down. (Happens to me sometimes; I don't know about anyone else.)
Back hitboxes, mainly for backstabs need to be rearranged.
Healing/infecting range needs tweaking, mainly because it's very hard to heal someone when they're moving and you're right next to them.
FF_2Morforever: when you're on the ladder underwater that leads to land, looking upwards, you can see a map glitch.
Knockback on weapons and sentries need extreme tweaking, because their knockback effect is usually very powerful.
"AmmoMe" command still needs sounds.

That's all I can remember. If anyone has any more, they can reply with their lists, also.

Credge · 02-07-2008, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenday5494

press Z in-game, if Z is on the default bind.

Right. And nobody uses it unless they want to either be annoying or are trying to get the attention of someone.

trepid_jon · 02-07-2008, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CaLeB-

Locations for the map FF_Cz2.

Unfortunately, we haven't added those yet. Last time we tried, cz2 went over the brush limit. Just need to do some more brush optimizations and get the locations in though, I said GOD DAMN! God...damn...

greenday5494 · 02-07-2008, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Credge

Right. And nobody uses it unless they want to either be annoying or are trying to get the attention of someone.

what? Calling for medic is being annoying now? wow, just wow.

Credge · 02-07-2008, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenday5494

what? Calling for medic is being annoying now? wow, just wow.

Yes. It's extremely annoying. It's one reason nobody uses it in pubs unless they want to get the attention of somebody. It's sort of like "Build a teleporter here!" in TF2.

And this isn't some new trend. It's always been annoying.

Even further, you don't need those to play, which is what he was talking about. Coincidentally, it's what I was talking about as well.

02-05-2008, 11:28 PM	#382
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	yea, ive been waiting for rock2 for a while. __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

02-06-2008, 03:17 AM	#385
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	oh, and take out the rain it has in it. it causes erractic behaviour with the spy's cloak shaders, same thing with fog. __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

02-06-2008, 07:30 PM	#390
~kev~ pmagnvs Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: East Texas Class/Position: Engineer - D Gametype: Free for all CTF - no stupid clan rules Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Toys for noobs Where are the toys for the noobs? During the course of FF development, someone decided to add the over heat to the HW guy - terrible, terrible idea. In TFC the noobs loved the HW guy because he was just point and shoot. It was that easy. Noobs loved mowing down medics and scouts. The HW guy was a class anyone could play, no skills, no problem. But, someone, who ever it was, said "lets make the HW guy harder to play" or "the hw guy is too powerful, lets slow him down a little" - now the noobs have nothing. The over heat is supposed to be removed, that is an excellent first step - but the noobs need at least 2 easy classes to play. In TFC it was the engineer and HW guy. Lets make the game as easy as possible for people to play. The more complex, the more likely people are to play something else. I just want to play, I do not want to be bothered by a menu, or a gun over heating, or anything else. I just want to pull the trigger and shoot something.

02-06-2008, 07:43 PM	#391
Skanky Butterpuss Beware the Hammer D&A Member Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: Sabotaging your shit. Affiliations: :}\|, mimic, /KBN/ Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	im moving this to the beta changelog thread since it is being addressed in the new patch and thus does not need its own thread. __________________ Support FF: Etzell: Skanky Etzell: The Wings are fucking fantastic Etzell: They really are Etzell: But even SAYING that makes me want to vomit

02-06-2008, 08:47 PM	#393
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	actually, all classes have menus, the medic menu __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

02-05-2008, 11:18 PM	#381
Phisionary third right to the left Wiki Team Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well, 2.0 is a welcome release, but I think there should be no further releases (other than minor bugfixes that may be necessary) until there are a couple more official maps ready to release. Trade in your coding books (whatever) for air-horns and cattle prods and keep those mappers up all night. Seriously, what happened to the maps from the media page, anyway? bases, openfire, rock2, uno? I remember seeing the uno screenies from so long ago, they were one of the first ones out, and they looked so awesomely good it got me excited about FF. So wut up?

02-06-2008, 12:33 AM	#384
Jiggles Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CowTown Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It would be nice to put off release until more maps are done, but that's practically too long to wait. A good quality Source map takes a lot of time and iterations.

02-06-2008, 01:09 PM	#386
Vicious Nothing left to believe in Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's my birthday... where's my patch/present?

02-06-2008, 03:15 PM	#387
chilledsanity D&A Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Gametype: AvD, I/D, waterpolo, hunted Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	Hey I looked at the changelog and it's saying 1.1s now for blue pipes. I have two questions: 1. Will there be an option to switch between it and the 2.5s timer? 2. Has anyone tested beta 2.0 (like 10 times or more) on ff_dustbowl and been able to prevent offense from winning a round?

02-06-2008, 06:09 PM	#389
chilledsanity D&A Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Gametype: AvD, I/D, waterpolo, hunted Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	Satan: 1. Don't get me wrong, I think 1.1s timers sound awesome for close-quarters combat, but most of the time in dustbowl that's not what I'm dealing with. 2. Well I'm still skeptical about the balance, but thanks for giving us a confirmation that it has been tested.

02-06-2008, 09:16 PM	#395
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	press Z in-game, if Z is on the default bind. __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

02-07-2008, 02:59 AM	#396
CaLeB- Whitest Kid You Know Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	Checklist For The Next Patch Here is a few things I hope the developers took care of for the 2.0 Patch. Head hitbox: Sometimes you can shoot someone right on the head (with blood included) with a sniper rifle, but they are remained unaffected. Locations for the map FF_Cz2. Missing weapon animations (ex: Shotgun, Railgun, etc.). Decal marks left on a cloaked spy (usually scorches). Class menus suddenly disappearing randomly when holding the button down. (Happens to me sometimes; I don't know about anyone else.) Back hitboxes, mainly for backstabs need to be rearranged. Healing/infecting range needs tweaking, mainly because it's very hard to heal someone when they're moving and you're right next to them. FF_2Morforever: when you're on the ladder underwater that leads to land, looking upwards, you can see a map glitch. Knockback on weapons and sentries need extreme tweaking, because their knockback effect is usually very powerful. "AmmoMe" command still needs sounds. That's all I can remember. If anyone has any more, they can reply with their lists, also. __________________ Oh, man... More armor for the win, yeah?

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