11 Year Olds: Birth Control or Fire Retardant Clothing? - Page 4

BinaryLife · 10-22-2007, 07:18 PM

Part of the issue here is that many of you believe that an 11 year old is going to have sex no matter what anyone says or does.

Did you people have sex at 11? Did your friends?

The first time I even had an oppurtunity was when I was 16. The girl I was with was older... and kind of a slut and she hadn't had sex until she was 16.

We aren't little sex machines. We are human beings with a brain and higher level thinking, judgement and reason. Sex feels good. It's fun. That's how nature gets us to do it. But it doesn't make us retarded. We have to be retarded to beging with. If you guys don't intend on telling your kids "Keep it in your pants until you're ready, and we've got more to talk about first" then yeah they'll probably have sex. And yes, if they're going to have sex it's better to have it with a condom than without. But in that senario, you're a terrible excuse for a parent. Just because the word penis and vagina makes you uncomforable around a young child doesn't mean that you get to throw a box of trojans at them and see good luck.

Condoms should be used. They should be had at schools, and given to kids. But in that same moment, that same breath, AIDS, Pregnancy, HIV, Herpes and the lick should all be mentioned. Make sure they know how dangerous it is.

-=bingo-bango=- · 10-22-2007, 07:37 PM

im 15 and the first time i had the oppurtunity i was 13 (no i wasent dumb enough to do it), so its not that entirely uncommon among young teens/kids, but i do think that 11 is suprisingly young

and to scuzzys first post, wouldnt it b smarter to do both, give the fire retardent clothing AND tell the parents. (as long as the fire retardent clothing has no negative effects). and same applies for the birth control

CatzEyes93 · 10-23-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KubeDawg

The PARENTS are to blame. Just because peer pressure exists, because the cool kids say they do it, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. But, in the case of children, or pre teens, the responsibility should solely be that of the parents. If the parents would take the personal responsibility to teach their kids about these things, the world would be a much better and smarter place. It's not the policy's fault for allowing pre teens to obtain birth control or fire retardant clothing. It's always going to be the parents responsibility until their child becomes an adult.

If I were about to give birth control pills to an 11 year old, I'd call the parents and bitch them out. Same thing if a kid wants to burn things. But, in the mean time, you are aware that this 11 year old is sexually active, or maybe you don't know, maybe they're capable of lying. Maybe? Well, it's best probably not to assume and knock some fucking sense into the parents.

This is the stupidest thing I have heard in years. What happens when you have a kid that refuses to do what he is told and will not learn even after many punishments? No amount of grounding, beatings or take aways are going to change a determined mind. Not if they are 10, not when they are 16 and not when they are 20. Punishing the parent aint gonna do anything other than put too much control in the hands of the kid. "I hate my mom so I am gonna get her sent to jail by behaving bad! serves her right for not getting me a pony for christmas!"

oh... how bout send the parent to jail if the kid knocks off the local grocery store. Are you kidding me? I am a parent of a feking moron that no matter what I did he refused to listen and do what he was told. Regardless of grounding, taking stuff away from him, making him work for his food, not even smacking him for the bigger screwups... for 6 years I had to put up with his horrible nightmare behavior before I could legally kick him out. Some people cannot be taught no matter how much you punish them. So why are you jumping on the bandwagon of blaming mom and dad? What is mom and dad's recourse when the kid will not learn? hand the kid over to foster parents?

I say stop taking away the consequenses of the misbehavior (which is what this thread is all about) and let them take on their own punishment by suffering the consequenses of their actions. I aint taking the blame for his stupid behavior. Feck him. If these children want to play grown up, let them play russian roulette with their lives all they want.

YomMamasHouse · 10-23-2007, 10:02 PM

Thank you Catzeyes, I think that is a point people like to skim over when blaming the parents. You can tell the parents to do whatever the hell you want but a disobedient child has a mind of his/her own and all the parenting skills in the world could not stop a child who was determined to do something even if it went against what their parents said.

Basically, telling the parents to get involved can only go so far.

CatzEyes93 · 10-23-2007, 10:26 PM

You know those commercials "talk to your kids about drugs... it WILL make a difference".

I have to hold back from throwing a plate at the screen whenever they come on. Cuz I DID talk to my kid about drugs. Regularly. I DID hammer in him the important things... yet he still allowed weed to turn him into a monster for years. Well.. now the threat of jail time has finally opened his eyes.

YomMamasHouse · 10-23-2007, 10:39 PM

Ya those are pretty stupid, the scenes of parent-child interaction they depict are coming from people with pretty strange family lives.

Innoc · 10-23-2007, 10:46 PM

Every kids is different though. Part of trying to be a good parent is doing your best to know what kind of person your child is and doing what you believe to be the best at the time. The parents I would fault and blame are those that are passive and do little or nothing.

FWIW, I had the drug education classes when I was 10....30 years ago. They went into great detail about the groups and classes of drugs, their affects, impacts, dependencies and, if they were addictive they explained how they were addictive. I decided that there was far more risk than I was comfortable with for me in taking any of them. I've never had any interest in them and I've seen far too many friends and family piss their lives away over drugs.

With regard to this topic. No doctor has any business treating or providing any form of treatment to my minor child without my informed consent. Period.

uBeR · 10-23-2007, 10:48 PM

A 17 year old can't think for himself?

CatzEyes93 · 10-23-2007, 10:55 PM

yep they can. cept when it directly affects (sp?) 4 other members of your family. Otherwise, until you are of legal age (eighteen) mom and dad have sole rights over what your living conditions are. Otherwise, what ARE the limits and who governs it?? Gotta set the limits somewhere. Long ago it was set at 18.

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Originally Posted by Innoc

With regard to this topic. No doctor has any business treating or providing any form of treatment to my minor child without my informed consent. Period.

AMEN BRUTHA~!

Innoc · 10-23-2007, 11:01 PM

If a minor child wants autonomy then they should go to court and get themselves emancipated. They can also expect to provide for themselves as well at that point. So long as the law holds me responsible for the actions and deeds of my minor child I'm damn well going to have something to say about their care. If you don't like then tough.

Deadly Furby · 10-24-2007, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CatzEyes93

This is the stupidest thing I have heard in years..........

Now Cat.....don't you understand that in today's society, it's alway's somebody else's fault?

uBeR · 10-24-2007, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Innoc

If you don't like then tough.

Actually, I think it's the other way around: If you don't like it, tough. Children, at a certain age, have confidentiality rights with doctors to discuss health matters or receive treatment for legally protected information. The law has dictated that people of a certain age are educated about their own body, can consent to legally protected treatment to ensure the their and the public's health, as well as to be able to discuss legally protected information.

Don't like it? Deal with it.

Dospac · 10-24-2007, 06:58 AM

Yeah, Noc. It isn't 18 that you lose complete control over your child's medical privacy etc. Smart parents will figure shit out regardless but yea.. You have to have open communication w/your child at any age really, or you're gonna lose out regardless of what the law says.

Scuzzy · 10-24-2007, 12:09 PM

You have to find it ironic and moronic that an 11 year old can't make the medical decision to get her ears pierced without parental concent, but she's old enough to make decisions about whether or not to have a baby without being required to ask her parents permission.

CatzEyes93 · 10-24-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadly Furby

Now Cat.....don't you understand that in today's society, it's alway's somebody else's fault?

:chuckle: yeah... I guess I got fired up about that huh?

Anyway, maybe we should take this a bit further and fix a whole lot of problems before they get started. Lets make it to where you have to register to have a kid and go through parenting schools before you are allowed to get pregnant. and that if you get pregnant without the liscense, your baby is taken away from you at birth and given up for adoption. /tongueincheekhumor

BinaryLife · 10-24-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Scuzzy

You have to find it ironic and moronic that an 11 year old can't make the medical decision to get her ears pierced without parental concent, but she's old enough to make decisions about whether or not to have a baby without being required to ask her parents permission.

I certainly do actualy. It's also illegal to show them pornography, or take pictures of them without clothes. They can't see movies that have frequent use of bad words or excessive violence.

Just some food for thought.
(In no way am I even remotely implying that they should be aloud to be photographed naked)

Deadly Furby · 10-24-2007, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CatzEyes93

....Lets make it to where you have to register to have a kid and go through parenting schools before you are allowed to get pregnant. and that if you get pregnant without the liscense, your baby is taken away from you at birth and given up for adoption. /tongueincheekhumor

also need to add a minimum IQ requirement. Say, 120+?

uBeR · 10-24-2007, 09:23 PM

Humans would die out.

CatzEyes93 · 10-24-2007, 10:13 PM

:chuckle: concidering where our world is going and/or what we are doing to the world.. perhaps this is not a horrible thing?

j/k

10-22-2007, 07:37 PM	#62
-=bingo-bango=- Spirit Studios Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: CTF Affiliations: Blue Team Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	im 15 and the first time i had the oppurtunity i was 13 (no i wasent dumb enough to do it), so its not that entirely uncommon among young teens/kids, but i do think that 11 is suprisingly young and to scuzzys first post, wouldnt it b smarter to do both, give the fire retardent clothing AND tell the parents. (as long as the fire retardent clothing has no negative effects). and same applies for the birth control __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Bridget [>] Who gives a shit? Tired of hearing about this...

10-23-2007, 10:26 PM	#65
CatzEyes93 Black Mesa Voice Actor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	You know those commercials "talk to your kids about drugs... it WILL make a difference". I have to hold back from throwing a plate at the screen whenever they come on. Cuz I DID talk to my kid about drugs. Regularly. I DID hammer in him the important things... yet he still allowed weed to turn him into a monster for years. Well.. now the threat of jail time has finally opened his eyes. __________________ ___________________ Random Thoughts Only CatzEyes93.com

10-23-2007, 10:46 PM	#67
Innoc Hitman 2 1 Actual Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: "Oscar Mike" Gametype: FPS or RTS (just say NO to MMO) Affiliations: Your Mom Posts Rated Helpful 8 Times	Every kids is different though. Part of trying to be a good parent is doing your best to know what kind of person your child is and doing what you believe to be the best at the time. The parents I would fault and blame are those that are passive and do little or nothing. FWIW, I had the drug education classes when I was 10....30 years ago. They went into great detail about the groups and classes of drugs, their affects, impacts, dependencies and, if they were addictive they explained how they were addictive. I decided that there was far more risk than I was comfortable with for me in taking any of them. I've never had any interest in them and I've seen far too many friends and family piss their lives away over drugs. With regard to this topic. No doctor has any business treating or providing any form of treatment to my minor child without my informed consent. Period. __________________ Mooga on Obama: He can cut taxes. Actually do something useful. Punch Nancy Pelosi in the face. Just to name a few. You eventually run out of other people's money to spend.

10-23-2007, 10:48 PM	#68
uBeR Not ****** Yet D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	A 17 year old can't think for himself? __________________ OCCUPATION 101. *One would think a simple task would be, well, simple. Maybe not for simpletons.*

10-23-2007, 11:01 PM	#70
Innoc Hitman 2 1 Actual Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: "Oscar Mike" Gametype: FPS or RTS (just say NO to MMO) Affiliations: Your Mom Posts Rated Helpful 8 Times	If a minor child wants autonomy then they should go to court and get themselves emancipated. They can also expect to provide for themselves as well at that point. So long as the law holds me responsible for the actions and deeds of my minor child I'm damn well going to have something to say about their care. If you don't like then tough. __________________ Mooga on Obama: He can cut taxes. Actually do something useful. Punch Nancy Pelosi in the face. Just to name a few. You eventually run out of other people's money to spend.

10-22-2007, 07:18 PM	#61
BinaryLife Posts: 1 bajillion D&A Member Wiki Team Join Date: Mar 2007 Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	Part of the issue here is that many of you believe that an 11 year old is going to have sex no matter what anyone says or does. Did you people have sex at 11? Did your friends? The first time I even had an oppurtunity was when I was 16. The girl I was with was older... and kind of a slut and she hadn't had sex until she was 16. We aren't little sex machines. We are human beings with a brain and higher level thinking, judgement and reason. Sex feels good. It's fun. That's how nature gets us to do it. But it doesn't make us retarded. We have to be retarded to beging with. If you guys don't intend on telling your kids "Keep it in your pants until you're ready, and we've got more to talk about first" then yeah they'll probably have sex. And yes, if they're going to have sex it's better to have it with a condom than without. But in that senario, you're a terrible excuse for a parent. Just because the word penis and vagina makes you uncomforable around a young child doesn't mean that you get to throw a box of trojans at them and see good luck. Condoms should be used. They should be had at schools, and given to kids. But in that same moment, that same breath, AIDS, Pregnancy, HIV, Herpes and the lick should all be mentioned. Make sure they know how dangerous it is.

10-23-2007, 10:02 PM	#64
YomMamasHouse Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Your Mom's House Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	Thank you Catzeyes, I think that is a point people like to skim over when blaming the parents. You can tell the parents to do whatever the hell you want but a disobedient child has a mind of his/her own and all the parenting skills in the world could not stop a child who was determined to do something even if it went against what their parents said. Basically, telling the parents to get involved can only go so far.

10-23-2007, 10:39 PM	#66
YomMamasHouse Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Your Mom's House Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	Ya those are pretty stupid, the scenes of parent-child interaction they depict are coming from people with pretty strange family lives.

10-24-2007, 06:58 AM	#73
Dospac Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah, Noc. It isn't 18 that you lose complete control over your child's medical privacy etc. Smart parents will figure shit out regardless but yea.. You have to have open communication w/your child at any age really, or you're gonna lose out regardless of what the law says.

10-24-2007, 12:09 PM	#74
Scuzzy The Old Timers Clan D&A Member Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Server: 206.217.134.170:27016 Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	You have to find it ironic and moronic that an 11 year old can't make the medical decision to get her ears pierced without parental concent, but she's old enough to make decisions about whether or not to have a baby without being required to ask her parents permission. __________________ "Player Quality, not Quantity, is what we strive for." - The LLama Wrangler "A clan is defined by the nature of it's enemies. - The Llama Wrangler

10-24-2007, 09:23 PM	#78
uBeR Not ****** Yet D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Humans would die out. __________________ OCCUPATION 101. *One would think a simple task would be, well, simple. Maybe not for simpletons.*

10-24-2007, 10:13 PM	#79
CatzEyes93 Black Mesa Voice Actor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	:chuckle: concidering where our world is going and/or what we are doing to the world.. perhaps this is not a horrible thing? j/k __________________ ___________________ Random Thoughts Only CatzEyes93.com

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