Hammer, why me

barronofhellion · 10-13-2007, 04:34 PM

hey guys wtf is going on with my sloped brushes, i have had this problem in every map i make, at some point ill be making a slope and in the editor its lined up perfict, then ill compile it and it will shift over just a bit, ill move it back when i get back in the editor and poof its messed up again when i compile.. is there some way to fix this or stop it from happening ... has anybody else noticed this ?!?!

SWAMPTHING360 · 10-13-2007, 04:39 PM

can you not highlight the lot and mark it treat as one?

A1win · 10-13-2007, 04:41 PM

It's a bug in Hammer. Hammer sometimes places the corners (vertices) of a brush off the grid. Easiest way to fix it is to remake the whole brush. Sometimes moving the vertices around and back to place works, but not always.

barronofhellion · 10-13-2007, 04:41 PM

swamp, i think what your talking about is the texture application. what you see there is actually the vertice not matching up. ill match them up in the editor and then when i go in the game it will look like above, so ill go in the editor and fix them and ,,, well they move again heh

barronofhellion · 10-13-2007, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1win

Easiest way to fix it is to remake the whole brush. Sometimes moving the vertices around and back to place works, but not always.

i hate hammer

barronofhellion · 10-13-2007, 05:02 PM

BAHHHHHHHHHHH! i deleted the brushes and put new ones there and it STILL changed back

Bakedbean · 10-13-2007, 05:17 PM

Not sure if this will help, but a friend who maps for DoD:S has used QuArK
it was just updated over a month ago.

And did a forum search and found this.

barronofhellion · 10-13-2007, 05:22 PM

hmm i think ill try it, i used it for hl1 maps and quake1&2

barronofhellion · 10-13-2007, 05:47 PM

oh wow, quarks vertex manupulation sucks balls.. back to hammer

punkrockrocks · 10-13-2007, 06:05 PM

this shit happens to me too.
i hate hammer so much!
but at the same time, she is my love

barronofhellion · 10-13-2007, 06:50 PM

hmm i think what it was , was i coppied a brush so many times it , well jacked up when i coppied it again

punkrockrocks · 10-13-2007, 06:59 PM

it'll happen to me if i make a brush (usually something complicated, like a torus) and it looks perfectly fine in hammer. then i'll save and close out for a while, but when i reopen hammer the brush had deteriorated a little bit. the "seams" had begun to come undone (as seen in your picture). it's just something hammer randomly does. quite annoying.

own3r · 10-13-2007, 07:12 PM

The solution to this problem is to convert the shapes into triangles, using 'cube like' shapes often creates invalid brushes whereas triangles are more flexible. Try cutting the brush using the (shift x) shortcut along the diagonal or however works until when you reload the map it is how it should be. I hope this helps.

barronofhellion · 10-13-2007, 08:39 PM

hmm well ill have to try that when it happens again (you know it will) i completely re-did the thing i was working on, didn't seam to do it again..

Major Lee High · 10-13-2007, 10:04 PM

Ive had this happen before as well.

I havent tried, but turning it into func detail might help.

stino · 10-14-2007, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1win

It's a bug in Hammer. Hammer sometimes places the corners (vertices) of a brush off the grid. Easiest way to fix it is to remake the whole brush. Sometimes moving the vertices around and back to place works, but not always.

it's not a bug, it's you that make invalid brush faces, every face has to be flat, meaning that all points have to be in the same plane. so or you divide your faces into tryangles, or you use displacements for that.

A1win · 10-14-2007, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stino

it's not a bug, it's you that make invalid brush faces, every face has to be flat, meaning that all points have to be in the same plane. so or you divide your faces into tryangles, or you use displacements for that.

That would cause an invalid brush, which this is not. This is just simple off-grid vertices (vertices with coordinates like "0, 0.11, 0" or "128, -0.9994, 256" etc). You can see that by opening the .vmf with notepad or something and searching for ".9" etc. It looks like crap... It's almost like all the vertices were off-grid. Some just get back on grid during the compile, but if it's too much off the grid, it doesn't.

_MJ_ · 10-15-2007, 10:56 AM

yes use triangles..

stino · 10-15-2007, 11:03 AM

and floats are never good, becouse it's hard to see if 4 floating cooridinates are in the same plane, it works better with 3 coordinates since 3 points ARE ALWAYS in the same plane! some guys over here should really learn the basics of game programming, i guess a lot of the mappers around here don't even know the difference between concave and convex

10-13-2007, 04:34 PM	#1
barronofhellion Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Hammer, why me hey guys wtf is going on with my sloped brushes, i have had this problem in every map i make, at some point ill be making a slope and in the editor its lined up perfict, then ill compile it and it will shift over just a bit, ill move it back when i get back in the editor and poof its messed up again when i compile.. is there some way to fix this or stop it from happening ... has anybody else noticed this ?!?!

10-13-2007, 05:22 PM	#8
barronofhellion Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	hmm i think ill try it, i used it for hl1 maps and quake1&2 Last edited by barronofhellion; 10-13-2007 at 06:01 PM.

10-13-2007, 06:05 PM	#10
punkrockrocks When patch will out? Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	this shit happens to me too. i hate hammer so much! but at the same time, she is my love __________________ MAKE MORE ESCAPE MAPS Ingame: punkrock Idle and support #nozoom, #ff.pickup

10-13-2007, 06:59 PM	#12
punkrockrocks When patch will out? Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	it'll happen to me if i make a brush (usually something complicated, like a torus) and it looks perfectly fine in hammer. then i'll save and close out for a while, but when i reopen hammer the brush had deteriorated a little bit. the "seams" had begun to come undone (as seen in your picture). it's just something hammer randomly does. quite annoying. __________________ MAKE MORE ESCAPE MAPS Ingame: punkrock Idle and support #nozoom, #ff.pickup

10-13-2007, 04:39 PM	#2
SWAMPTHING360 Skunk Fu Master Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London, England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	can you not highlight the lot and mark it treat as one?

10-13-2007, 04:41 PM	#3
A1win Nutcracker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Kuopio, Finland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's a bug in Hammer. Hammer sometimes places the corners (vertices) of a brush off the grid. Easiest way to fix it is to remake the whole brush. Sometimes moving the vertices around and back to place works, but not always.

10-13-2007, 05:02 PM	#6
barronofhellion Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	BAHHHHHHHHHHH! i deleted the brushes and put new ones there and it STILL changed back

10-13-2007, 05:17 PM	#7
Bakedbean Crap, where's a gun!? Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Not sure if this will help, but a friend who maps for DoD:S has used QuArK it was just updated over a month ago. And did a forum search and found this.

10-13-2007, 05:47 PM	#9
barronofhellion Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	oh wow, quarks vertex manupulation sucks balls.. back to hammer

10-13-2007, 06:50 PM	#11
barronofhellion Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	hmm i think what it was , was i coppied a brush so many times it , well jacked up when i coppied it again

10-13-2007, 07:12 PM	#13
own3r Custom mapper Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The solution to this problem is to convert the shapes into triangles, using 'cube like' shapes often creates invalid brushes whereas triangles are more flexible. Try cutting the brush using the (shift x) shortcut along the diagonal or however works until when you reload the map it is how it should be. I hope this helps.

10-13-2007, 08:39 PM	#14
barronofhellion Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	hmm well ill have to try that when it happens again (you know it will) i completely re-did the thing i was working on, didn't seam to do it again..

10-13-2007, 10:04 PM	#15
Major Lee High Retired Mapper Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Ive had this happen before as well. I havent tried, but turning it into func detail might help.

10-15-2007, 10:56 AM	#18
_MJ_ Mapper Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	yes use triangles..

10-15-2007, 11:03 AM	#19
stino Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	and floats are never good, becouse it's hard to see if 4 floating cooridinates are in the same plane, it works better with 3 coordinates since 3 points ARE ALWAYS in the same plane! some guys over here should really learn the basics of game programming, i guess a lot of the mappers around here don't even know the difference between concave and convex

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