FATAL ERROR (shutting down): ED_Alloc: no free edicts

Scuzzy · 07-04-2007, 02:58 AM

We've had an individual, "[ESAD]SiSCoS - STEAM_0:1:148752, come into our server last night and announce he had to restart the server. Over and over again the server crashed with the following error:

L 07/03/2007 - 01:12:02: FATAL ERROR (shutting down): ED_Alloc: no free edicts

After checking back logs whenver this error occurred he was in the server. Map was 2fort. We've obviously banned him and his friends, but would like to try and prevent this issue. Any idea what would cause this crash?

Scuzzy

07-04-2007, 03:06 AM

I think the error pops up when you have too many enities in a map.
But that doesn't make any sense in this case.

EDIT:
After a quick google search I found the following:
http://www.interlopers.net/errors/index.php?e=5-2

You have too many entities. Either total (4096) or a maximum of a specific entity. Temporary entities such as bullets and particles are also part of this.

My bet is that they have a way to spam bullets or particles ridiculously fast. No idea how though

Beetle · 07-04-2007, 03:10 AM

unless he was spamming and you didn't know it. ie congestus in the tunnel

Scuzzy · 07-04-2007, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Svampn

I think the error pops up when you have too many enities in a map.
But that doesn't make any sense in this case.

EDIT:
After a quick google search I found the following:
http://www.interlopers.net/errors/index.php?e=5-2

[I]You have too many entities. Either total (4096) or a maximum of a specific entity. Temporary entities such as bullets and particles are also part of this.

My bet is that they have a way to spam bullets or particles ridiculously fast. No idea how though

I've read those as well, no idea how they are accomplishing it, and the log shows nothing obivously. We have no mods that would allow anyone to create entities outside normal game play. And doing so on 2fort... *shrug* no idea.

gizmofo · 07-04-2007, 07:14 AM

My friend briefly mentioned how he used to join random servers and crash them by typing something into console, causing it to spam entities (or something of the sort).

Iggy · 07-04-2007, 11:16 AM

Do you know what class he was playing? I know on 2fort there is a way to lag the server really bad.....but I'm not sure about out-right crashing it.
If you find out, let me know so I can warn the other servers I play on.

Scuzzy · 07-04-2007, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gizmofo

My friend briefly mentioned how he used to join random servers and crash them by typing something into console, causing it to spam entities (or something of the sort).

Send me a PM and I'll try it on our box.

Scuzzy · 07-04-2007, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iggy

Do you know what class he was playing? I know on 2fort there is a way to lag the server really bad.....but I'm not sure about out-right crashing it.
If you find out, let me know so I can warn the other servers I play on.

Spy/sniper/medic, they choose a different class several times.

Ihmhi · 07-04-2007, 12:18 PM

I honestly have no idea how he coulda done somethin' like this... I mean, most of the stuff calculated server side AFAIK can not be changed by the player. He could not change how many nail sprites spawn etc., or if he did it would all be client side.

This must mean that there is some colossal error that very few people know about that can be used to crash servers. If you can not find out an answer within a few days, I have about half a dozen server owners I can talk to to try and find an answer.

qui · 07-04-2007, 12:54 PM

The only thing i know is shooting demo pipes into the pipes at the grate. But that lags the server, i havnt seen it crash it.

Beetle · 07-04-2007, 01:11 PM

but you said he had buddies so maybe that was enough

luminous · 07-04-2007, 01:28 PM

only thing i know of that crashes the server is the medic/spy thing, which needs 3 people, coulda been that?

Ihmhi · 07-04-2007, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luminous

only thing i know of that crashes the server is the medic/spy thing, which needs 3 people, coulda been that?

The Medic Spy thing?

Scuzzy · 07-04-2007, 02:55 PM

I think it must be a solo-person thing. He did have friends, and from the conversation that was overheard they all knew how to do it. There are several logs where only one of them was in the server, and the error occurred. It would be interesting to see if any other servers have this error in their logs when these guys are online... but I have no idea how easy it is for other admins to review massive amounts of logs.

Scuzzy

Dospac · 07-04-2007, 07:53 PM

Could also be an exploit related to 3rd party software you have on the server. Just tryin to help.

Scuzzy · 07-04-2007, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dospac

Could also be an exploit related to 3rd party software you have on the server. Just tryin to help.

Possible, but unknown. We found their website and asked them if the players were really part of ESAD, their response was this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanMan

yes they are but only muchez is able to crash servers because he is the only one with access to the crash script clown made. Muchez is also banned from leagues, chances are if your server didnt have such lame rules toward skills community players they wouldnt be doing that. Have a nice day.

I don't have a problem if people don't like our rules, but entering the server just to disrupt the fact that we have our environment is childish on their part.

These were the three individuals in the server at the time:

[ESAD]GhostinG[x7] - STEAM_0:0:5904609
[ESAD]Muchez - STEAM_0:1:11648166
[ESAD]SiSCoS - STEAM_0:1:148752

For anyone who cares, STEAM_0:1:572290 is TrojanMan's steam-id.

SiSCos was the only one in the server once, Muchez was in the server himself (without the others) under a different name when it crashed again, so they both apparently have a so-called crash script.

Scuzzy

Scuzzy · 07-04-2007, 11:34 PM

I noticed that Trepid_Jesse was a member of their forums back in August of 2004, do you know these guys from ESAD Jesse and do you have any insight as to how to block their script?

Scuzzy

TurboWolf · 07-04-2007, 11:43 PM

ESAD is a concing guild as far as I know. And I've never heard about SiSCoS; perhaps he's not a member :\

**mervaka** · 07-04-2007, 11:49 PM

i know you guys have lame rules against swearing, but what rules is he on about which are against skilled "community" players?!

fucking script kiddies...

EDIT: i just found this in the next thread:

Quote:

Hold the flag for more then 2 minutes and you explode. Toss the flag more then once during a life and you explode.

i do hope that's sarcasm i saw there

Circuitous · 07-05-2007, 12:49 AM

Poor Scuzzy. Can't even tell a joke anymore, can you?

07-04-2007, 02:58 AM	#1
Scuzzy The Old Timers Clan D&A Member Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Server: 206.217.134.170:27016 Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	FATAL ERROR (shutting down): ED_Alloc: no free edicts We've had an individual, "[ESAD]SiSCoS - STEAM_0:1:148752, come into our server last night and announce he had to restart the server. Over and over again the server crashed with the following error: L 07/03/2007 - 01:12:02: FATAL ERROR (shutting down): ED_Alloc: no free edicts After checking back logs whenver this error occurred he was in the server. Map was 2fort. We've obviously banned him and his friends, but would like to try and prevent this issue. Any idea what would cause this crash? Scuzzy __________________ "Player Quality, not Quantity, is what we strive for." - The LLama Wrangler "A clan is defined by the nature of it's enemies. - The Llama Wrangler

07-04-2007, 12:18 PM	#9
Ihmhi [AE] 0112 Ihmhi SJB Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Newark, NJ, United States Class/Position: A little bit o' everythin' Gametype: Also a little bit o' everythin' Affiliations: [AE] Asseater, SJB Straight Jacket Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	I honestly have no idea how he coulda done somethin' like this... I mean, most of the stuff calculated server side AFAIK can not be changed by the player. He could not change how many nail sprites spawn etc., or if he did it would all be client side. This must mean that there is some colossal error that very few people know about that can be used to crash servers. If you can not find out an answer within a few days, I have about half a dozen server owners I can talk to to try and find an answer. __________________ Support FF: Anime: The Thread: Reloaded The one and only anime thread on these here forums. Select the pistol, and then, select your horse.

07-04-2007, 12:54 PM	#10
qui Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bournemouth, England Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	The only thing i know is shooting demo pipes into the pipes at the grate. But that lags the server, i havnt seen it crash it. Last edited by qui; 07-04-2007 at 06:13 PM.

07-04-2007, 02:55 PM	#14
Scuzzy The Old Timers Clan D&A Member Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Server: 206.217.134.170:27016 Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	I think it must be a solo-person thing. He did have friends, and from the conversation that was overheard they all knew how to do it. There are several logs where only one of them was in the server, and the error occurred. It would be interesting to see if any other servers have this error in their logs when these guys are online... but I have no idea how easy it is for other admins to review massive amounts of logs. Scuzzy __________________ "Player Quality, not Quantity, is what we strive for." - The LLama Wrangler "A clan is defined by the nature of it's enemies. - The Llama Wrangler

07-04-2007, 11:34 PM	#17
Scuzzy The Old Timers Clan D&A Member Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Server: 206.217.134.170:27016 Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	I noticed that Trepid_Jesse was a member of their forums back in August of 2004, do you know these guys from ESAD Jesse and do you have any insight as to how to block their script? Scuzzy __________________ "Player Quality, not Quantity, is what we strive for." - The LLama Wrangler "A clan is defined by the nature of it's enemies. - The Llama Wrangler

07-04-2007, 03:06 AM	#2
Svampn Guest Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	I think the error pops up when you have too many enities in a map. But that doesn't make any sense in this case. EDIT: After a quick google search I found the following: http://www.interlopers.net/errors/index.php?e=5-2 You have too many entities. Either total (4096) or a maximum of a specific entity. Temporary entities such as bullets and particles are also part of this. My bet is that they have a way to spam bullets or particles ridiculously fast. No idea how though

07-04-2007, 03:10 AM	#3
Beetle Beta than eva' Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	unless he was spamming and you didn't know it. ie congestus in the tunnel

07-04-2007, 07:14 AM	#5
gizmofo The Bestest Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	My friend briefly mentioned how he used to join random servers and crash them by typing something into console, causing it to spam entities (or something of the sort).

07-04-2007, 01:11 PM	#11
Beetle Beta than eva' Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	but you said he had buddies so maybe that was enough

07-04-2007, 01:28 PM	#12
luminous Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	only thing i know of that crashes the server is the medic/spy thing, which needs 3 people, coulda been that?

07-04-2007, 07:53 PM	#15
Dospac Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Could also be an exploit related to 3rd party software you have on the server. Just tryin to help.

07-04-2007, 11:43 PM	#18
TurboWolf Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Spain Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	ESAD is a concing guild as far as I know. And I've never heard about SiSCoS; perhaps he's not a member :\

07-05-2007, 12:49 AM	#20
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Poor Scuzzy. Can't even tell a joke anymore, can you? __________________ Look at all those dead links.

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