the double jump

[o_exoronic]

how far and how you go , does it depens on the weight of the class or the speed you got at the perticular moment with bhop ?

Or both ?

would be pretty unfair hw can do the same stuff as scout

[o_balls]

not sure but i think it depends on the vertical speed at which you hit the ramp

[o_player]

It will probably be based on the speed at which you are travelling prior to the jumping technique that will ultimately decide how far the class will travel.

I guess we must wait patiently for a beta tester or dev team member to explain : )

[Lost]

I dunno the technical aspects of it, but I can jump a lot farther with a scout than a HW. Its pretty easy to pull of some good high ramp jumps with the scout, I crater a lot. So I'd say that speed is a major determining factor. You can also rocket or nade someone up a ramp to an incredible distance, especially a few that are steep.

[o_mrmojo]

so is it trimping or not?


also, might as well ask it here, are you keeping the max bhop speed same as Half-Life?

[o_player]

From the video it certainly looked like trimping and they said they had increased the bhop speed from 170% (TFC) to somewhere around the 200% mark with an elastic speed cap (I wanted to see that in the latest video :P)

[o_grg]

Quote from the main thread, when I asked about the double jump:

For double jumping you get more height by jumping off a surface w/in x seconds of your last jump, so naturally that second jump has to occur off a higher object than your first. Trimp doesn't require a jump before it just converts your velocity in say the horizontal direction to contribute to the vertical upon jumping off an incline. So if you approached a ramp really fast horizontally, say from a conc and jumped upon hitting a ramp you would get rocketed upwards to a significant degree.

[o_duffmanhb]

this is definately going to change the flow of the game. Imagine HW's simplying jump up to the elevator entrance to the enemy flag...

[o_exoronic]

soldier is going to be a very good offence class with that

[Circuitous]

Originally Posted by grg

Quote from the main thread, when I asked about the double jump:

To simplify:

Trimping is ramp-specific and launches you upward based on your speed (or forward based on your falling speed, if going down a ramp). Meanwhile, double-jumping only requires a slightly higher surface - ramp or otherwise. So you could double-jump using a set of stairs, or a low ledge, so long as it's within the height threshold.

[o_luminous]

from other thread, got swallowed though

i thought of something earlier, does trimping work in reverse?

IE on openfire where you jump down from the walkway to balcony to the water ramp, could your verticle momentum be transfered to horizontal so that you can get a much longer jump down the water?

[o_rannibunny]

trimping usually works like this: your vertical speed when you hit the ramp counts + the angle of the ramp counts as well.

When jumping, you're accelerated along the normal of your current "floor"

[o_luminous]

Originally Posted by rannibunny

trimping usually works like this: your vertical speed when you hit the ramp counts + the angle of the ramp counts as well.

When jumping, you're accelerated along the normal of your current "floor"

yer i know how that works, im just wondering if it would work in reverse ie going down a ramp

[o_nezumi]

I'm pretty sure it does work in reverse.

[o_smax]

Originally Posted by luminous

yer i know how that works, im just wondering if it would work in reverse ie going down a ramp

Im also pretty sure it does work in reverse like that. Just bind your mwheelup to +jump on CS:S and hit the water ramp (ct side) of aztec, you can almost make it halfway accross the water hauling ass .

[Circuitous]

The devs mentioned they might (or already have) limit the effect you can get from doing it in reverse. I think that was schtoofa? Not sure.

[Dospac]

Was me and yes, the reverse downward behavior is the TFC/HL2 behavior, not the inverted trimp behavior like you'd see on the Quake side. We can of course change that but I think it's a nice balancing factor. Time will tell.

[o_ivaqual]

This is a really cool feature but imho it's way too powerful. I mean, the HWguy just hops on that platform in 2fort, I don't like this at all. Besides, it kind of makes the architecture around (bridges to walk there) stupid as even the slowest and heaviest of all classes can just do that. I know it has been mentioned that it may be nerfed but I haven't seen this point brought up a lot. Does it bother only some people ?

[Circuitous]

I've got the whole "Man that could really be an issue" thought in my head, too, but I've also got the "Y'know if it's really an issue they'll probably fix it" thought.

[o_phobia]

Originally Posted by Dospac

Was me and yes, the reverse downward behavior is the TFC/HL2 behavior, not the inverted trimp behavior like you'd see on the Quake side. We can of course change that but I think it's a nice balancing factor. Time will tell.

Noo.. Everything was looking excellent til I read that, disappointing, but oh well. Hope you'll reconsider.