YAY TO PFL!

o_nuk3m · 08-10-2006, 09:40 AM

"Profortress League, one of the best TF leagues in the past has announced its return! Not only are they bringing back ladders for Team Fortress Classic, but will also be offering Team Fortress 2 and Fortress Forever ladders when the two games are released."

- Planet Half-life

o_deathstriker6666 · 08-10-2006, 10:16 AM

I see.

o_deadpool · 08-10-2006, 05:20 PM

i hope cnbl is still banned, hahaha.

Mulchman MM · 08-10-2006, 05:32 PM

Huh. Dunno if I'd qualify PFL as "one of the best" but cool to see them coming back.

o_kataris · 08-10-2006, 06:45 PM

cnbl.. That stands for cannibal, right?

o_loader · 08-10-2006, 07:02 PM

pf who?

Must be an american thing..

Mulchman MM · 08-10-2006, 08:33 PM

Profortress League was the name. It was a cool idea but terrible execution - at least in my opinion.

And yeah, CNBL is clan cannibal (sp)

o_loader · 08-10-2006, 08:47 PM

riiiiiiiight.. im off to bed.

o_nuk3m · 08-11-2006, 01:46 AM

yeah it did suck, but still when i saw ff i was like sweet people care and love us... *frolics down the road with a blush*

o_deadpool · 08-11-2006, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mulchman MM

Profortress League was the name. It was a cool idea but terrible execution - at least in my opinion.

And yeah, CNBL is clan cannibal (sp)

im curious as to why you thought it was poor execution, i liked pfl a lot it was probably the most competitive league of its time. it instituted a lot of good rules that other leagues didn't put into play and i thought the head admin, painkiller, was good.

i just checked out the site, www.profortress.com and it looks like they have a good set of admins.

PHISH · 08-11-2006, 03:56 PM

Yeah I believe it was painkiller who made the league good..but I know for sure that it was Qbert who drove it into the ground...

Dospac · 08-11-2006, 09:30 PM

The commissioner position had little to do with the PFL's faults. The primary mistake made by those that setup the league was allowing the general council of clan leaders to vote on cheat disputes and things of that nature.

The clan council should only legislate league rules, vote on map rotations, etc.

Disputes and other rule infractions should be handled by an independant panel appointed by the council and overseen by the division admin and commissioner.

Basically there should have been(and hopefully now will be) this important separation between those who make the rules and those who enforce them.

As a division admin I really ought to know, huh..

o_hughj · 08-11-2006, 11:47 PM

I thought the whole reason behind the creation of the PFL was to have clan leadership input on things regarding cheat disputes, etc. If the clans only had input on rules and map rotation, it would have been no different at all to STA, which is kinda what prompted the whole deal to begin with, no?

The main thing wrong with the PFL, imo, was that it was built and geared solely to those top tier clans that left STA, and wasn't really left with the lower tier divisions to help prop it up and keep things fresh and fun with an influx of new players/teams.

That and I didn't particularly like the seasonal-based format, weekly titles are much more interesting imo. No, I'm not bitter... well.. maybe a little bit ;D

o_pud · 08-12-2006, 02:35 AM

hahaa CNBL

I miss the good ole days of tfc

Dospac · 08-12-2006, 07:41 AM

The council elects the commissioner and the other admins. As the PFL demonstrated, you cannot give the clans control of cheat disputes without supervision. Again, the clans make the rules, they just don't enforce them directly. The whole Necro fiasco was a perfect example of what was wrong with the PFL.

o_hughj · 08-12-2006, 08:51 AM

I guess all the leagues had their issues.. but in the end, I think in PFL I felt like things were a bit more out in the open. You definitely never saw boost being a league staff member in PFL.

Mind you, I managed to be missing the week of the Zt/mH match on tempest, so maybe my opinion would different of PFL had I been there to see that. heh

o_deadpool · 08-12-2006, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hughJ

You definitely never saw boost being a league staff member in PFL.

ahahahah, good point. whatever happened to massa? bet hes still playing under an alias.

o_hughj · 08-12-2006, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deadpool

ahahahah, good point. whatever happened to massa? bet hes still playing under an alias.

Well, crackbrain managed to get him smuggled into NULL twice in a row. I think that's the last he's been seen around.

o_bunglega · 08-17-2006, 06:44 PM

FF Beta on the horizon and the return of one of my favorite TFC leagues ... anyone seen any Pyroclastic-Flow members floating around? Maybe its time for a reunion tour :P

Mr. Bungle

o_kataris · 08-18-2006, 12:49 AM

Any of you here that were in CNBL?

08-10-2006, 09:40 AM	#1
o_nuk3m Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersy, USA! reppin' Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	YAY TO PFL! "Profortress League, one of the best TF leagues in the past has announced its return! Not only are they bringing back ladders for Team Fortress Classic, but will also be offering Team Fortress 2 and Fortress Forever ladders when the two games are released." - Planet Half-life

08-10-2006, 05:32 PM	#4
Mulchman MM Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lacey, WA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Huh. Dunno if I'd qualify PFL as "one of the best" but cool to see them coming back. __________________ Head of the Orca Revolution (TM)

08-10-2006, 08:33 PM	#7
Mulchman MM Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lacey, WA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Profortress League was the name. It was a cool idea but terrible execution - at least in my opinion. And yeah, CNBL is clan cannibal (sp) __________________ Head of the Orca Revolution (TM)

08-17-2006, 06:44 PM	#19
o_bunglega Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Cool FF Beta on the horizon and the return of one of my favorite TFC leagues ... anyone seen any Pyroclastic-Flow members floating around? Maybe its time for a reunion tour :P Mr. Bungle

08-10-2006, 10:16 AM	#2
o_deathstriker6666 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Plovdiv, Bulgaria Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I see.

08-10-2006, 05:20 PM	#3
o_deadpool Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i hope cnbl is still banned, hahaha.

08-10-2006, 06:45 PM	#5
o_kataris Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	cnbl.. That stands for cannibal, right?

08-10-2006, 07:02 PM	#6
o_loader Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	pf who? Must be an american thing..

08-10-2006, 08:47 PM	#8
o_loader Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	riiiiiiiight.. im off to bed.

08-11-2006, 01:46 AM	#9
o_nuk3m Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersy, USA! reppin' Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	yeah it did suck, but still when i saw ff i was like sweet people care and love us... frolics down the road with a blush

08-11-2006, 03:56 PM	#11
PHISH Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: cow college Posts Rated Helpful 13 Times	Yeah I believe it was painkiller who made the league good..but I know for sure that it was Qbert who drove it into the ground...

08-11-2006, 09:30 PM	#12
Dospac Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The commissioner position had little to do with the PFL's faults. The primary mistake made by those that setup the league was allowing the general council of clan leaders to vote on cheat disputes and things of that nature. The clan council should only legislate league rules, vote on map rotations, etc. Disputes and other rule infractions should be handled by an independant panel appointed by the council and overseen by the division admin and commissioner. Basically there should have been(and hopefully now will be) this important separation between those who make the rules and those who enforce them. As a division admin I really ought to know, huh..

08-11-2006, 11:47 PM	#13
o_hughj Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I thought the whole reason behind the creation of the PFL was to have clan leadership input on things regarding cheat disputes, etc. If the clans only had input on rules and map rotation, it would have been no different at all to STA, which is kinda what prompted the whole deal to begin with, no? The main thing wrong with the PFL, imo, was that it was built and geared solely to those top tier clans that left STA, and wasn't really left with the lower tier divisions to help prop it up and keep things fresh and fun with an influx of new players/teams. That and I didn't particularly like the seasonal-based format, weekly titles are much more interesting imo. No, I'm not bitter... well.. maybe a little bit ;D

08-12-2006, 02:35 AM	#14
o_pud Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	hahaa CNBL I miss the good ole days of tfc

08-12-2006, 07:41 AM	#15
Dospac Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The council elects the commissioner and the other admins. As the PFL demonstrated, you cannot give the clans control of cheat disputes without supervision. Again, the clans make the rules, they just don't enforce them directly. The whole Necro fiasco was a perfect example of what was wrong with the PFL.

08-12-2006, 08:51 AM	#16
o_hughj Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I guess all the leagues had their issues.. but in the end, I think in PFL I felt like things were a bit more out in the open. You definitely never saw boost being a league staff member in PFL. Mind you, I managed to be missing the week of the Zt/mH match on tempest, so maybe my opinion would different of PFL had I been there to see that. heh

08-18-2006, 12:49 AM	#20
o_kataris Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Any of you here that were in CNBL?

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