9/11: Debunking The Myths

o_puppychow · 08-05-2006, 07:47 AM

We've all heard the assertions that jet fuel cant melt steel beams, the hole in the pentagon was too small, building 7 being professionally demolished etc....

many of these assertions have been made by hacks and internet wannabes with agendas who do not fully have expertise in the required fields; such as demolitions, aviation, and architecture. i duno. interesting...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=1&c=y

Lost · 08-05-2006, 02:55 PM

Did they seriously say that shit?

Man, thats as sad as the guys telling Buzz Armstrong that he never went to the moon, to his face!

o_zaskar · 08-05-2006, 02:57 PM

That vid of Buzz punchin that guy rocked. He should of went to the dudes body after and stomped on his face and screamed "Dont FUCK With BUZZ!" for beter effect though.

o_jefferino · 08-05-2006, 03:00 PM

Why do we even have to question 9/11.....??

o_frenchtoast · 08-05-2006, 03:21 PM

Because it's the American Government.

o_yomamashouse · 08-05-2006, 03:30 PM

Questioning them becomes an isntinct after a while. Still, people like the "loose change" maker are assholes.

o_dancingfool · 08-05-2006, 05:36 PM

Yes indeed. Then there are people like FT who don't believe anything and think everything has to be and must be a lie and a conspiracy.

o_frenchtoast · 08-05-2006, 05:49 PM

Rong.

I think this is a conspiracy because when thousands of people are killed in a terrorist bombing, the administration takes little to no flack, and then everything conveniently plays out to every wish and desire of George Bush, to the extent that he can take away the freedoms of Americans and piss all over the constitution.

However, I've made my viewpoint very clear in the past, so I withdraw from this thread.

o_dancingfool · 08-05-2006, 05:58 PM

I've yet to look out my window and see tanks with loudspeakers telling everyone to stay in their homes.

o_uber · 08-05-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FrenchToast

Rong.

I think this is a conspiracy because when thousands of people are killed in a terrorist bombing, the administration takes little to no flack

You think Bush and his adminstration should be criticized for there being a terrorist attack on American soil? That's odd.

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to the extent that he can take away the freedoms of Americans and piss all over the constitution.

I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have the government track phone calls and payments terrorist are making instead of having to worry about my building of work being attacked or having dirty bombs explode in my neighborhood. [Edit] Thanks Etzell ^^[/]

o_etzell · 08-05-2006, 06:34 PM

Actually, since he's Canadian, they aren't fighting to protect anything of his, something he'll be glad to point out.

o_zaskar · 08-05-2006, 06:37 PM

I just wish the umbrella that governs what is and isn't terrorism didn't keep expanding. New rules keep getting made to make terrorist activities easier to track, thats Awesome. but you will find that what is considered terrorism is gradually increasing making those new laws cover more then they probably should.

o_loader · 08-05-2006, 08:55 PM

woot another argument about america..

o_puppychow · 08-05-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Loader

woot another argument about america..

not really an arguement, there's just a good deal of people who think the us orchestrated the attacks for an excuse to go to war.

and thats silly.

the most latitude i will give is that there are some sick folks who were glad it happened as it gave then am excuse to go to war.

but as a conspiracy - no way. most conspiracy theories are ludacrist anyways as its next to impossible to keep things secret anymore.

whistle blowers abound and people talk.

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 08-06-2006, 02:11 AM

Read a little on the history of Islam and you'll see this is nothing new. We just happen to be a focal point that is getting increasingly more attention.

Something funny just occurred to me...for someone that seems to have so much venom for America FT sure does spend an awful lot of time grousing about it. I was always taught that if you hate something or someone ignore it/them and put no energy into it/them.

o_imbrifer · 08-06-2006, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by puppychow

many of these assertions have been made by hacks and internet wannabes with agendas who do not fully have expertise in the required fields

Haha, cant let the facts speak for themselves so you call the millions of people who believe this 'hacks' and 'internet wannabes' with 'agendas'. Like the US government doesn't have an agenda. lol. Like you dont have an agenda. Like Popular Mechanics doesnt have an agenda. Hilarious. Just because the government says something is true in a time of confusion and distress and the media latches onto it.. that doesn't make it the complete and correct answer. While I am skeptical of many of these claims, I welcome the discussion. It is interesting that scientists are on both sides of this issue (and not just those 'who do no tfully have expertise in the required fields', as you baselessly claim).

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Originally Posted by |404|Innoc-TPF-

Read a little on the history of Christianity and you'll see this is nothing new.

or was it

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Originally Posted by |404|Innoc-TPF-

"Read a little on the history of Capitalism and you'll see this is nothing new."

wait no, it was

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Originally Posted by |404|Innoc-TPF-

"Read a little on the history of Fascism and you'll see this is nothing new."

Damn. Maybe it was all of them?

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for someone that seems to have so much venom for America FT sure does spend an awful lot of time grousing about it. I was always taught that if you hate something or someone ignore it/them and put no energy into it/them.

Actually, hes criticising the Presidential office of the Executive branch of the National government of the United States. Very different from 'America'. 'America' is all of the people, the culture, the economic system, the government and more.
Hmm, I was taught that if you believe in something, stand up for it and the resulting discussion will benefit everyone. Weird. Did you grow up in a Democracy or in some sort of totalitarian state?

Oh, and the irony is that you come in and get angry and flame FT saying 'if you dont like something, ignore it'. Hilarious.

o_demasu · 08-06-2006, 03:22 AM

I love how conspiracy theories are so easily disproved by science. I have a link somewhere to the science that disproves the theories against the moon landing, and now this goes and disproves 16 theories against 9/11. I don't know about you, but if 16 of my theories were shot down by science, I'd give up on making theories.

o_imbrifer · 08-06-2006, 04:27 AM

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now this goes and disproves 16 theories against 9/11

Actually, if you read the article, nothing is 'disproven'.

For example, on page 8: "Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake."
A coroner told Popular Mechanics that no body parts were found in the lake. Does this conclusively and finally prove beyond any doubt that there were no body parts there? No. It means that he is telling Popular Mechanics that none were found. They could have been found by someone else and removed, they could have been found by him but he is keeping it quiet, etc. Chances are that once the big government got on the scene, the local folks just took what the government said as fact.

I don't believe it, I'm just trying to prevent faulty logic convincing people to swallow this article without any second thought. Again, nothing is disproven in this article, arguments are just made to address the 'conspiracy theories'.

Chances run pretty high that if the conspiracy theorists are right, then the government did every last little thing it could to insure that it is kept a secret. If you dont believe 'whatreallyhappened.org' tells you what really happened, you shouldnt believe that an article titled 'debunking the 9/11 myths' really debunks the myths. You actually have to read it.

Logic Man, signing out!

o_zsilver_fox · 08-06-2006, 04:40 AM

Imbrifer, if you honestly believe that it's a conspiracy, then all I can say is lol.

Popular Mechanics is a widely recognized magazine, and many experts and professionals were consulted in the making of that article. A college kid with iMovie doesn't match up with that. In fact, make sure that you read the viewing guide while watching the movie.

o_imbrifer · 08-06-2006, 04:42 AM

zSilver_Fox:

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Originally Posted by Imbrifer

I don't believe it

Any more questions?

08-05-2006, 07:47 AM	#1
o_puppychow Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Washington DC Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	9/11: Debunking The Myths We've all heard the assertions that jet fuel cant melt steel beams, the hole in the pentagon was too small, building 7 being professionally demolished etc.... many of these assertions have been made by hacks and internet wannabes with agendas who do not fully have expertise in the required fields; such as demolitions, aviation, and architecture. i duno. interesting... http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=1&c=y

08-05-2006, 02:55 PM	#2
Lost Fear teh crowbar. Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma Gametype: CTF ftw, yeh Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	Did they seriously say that shit? Man, thats as sad as the guys telling Buzz Armstrong that he never went to the moon, to his face! __________________ Do what you want cuz a pirate is free! You are a pirate!

08-05-2006, 02:57 PM	#3
o_zaskar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NY Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That vid of Buzz punchin that guy rocked. He should of went to the dudes body after and stomped on his face and screamed "Dont FUCK With BUZZ!" for beter effect though. Last edited by o_zaskar; 08-05-2006 at 03:20 PM.

08-05-2006, 03:00 PM	#4
o_jefferino Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Why do we even have to question 9/11.....??

08-05-2006, 03:21 PM	#5
o_frenchtoast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario, Canada! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Because it's the American Government.

08-05-2006, 03:30 PM	#6
o_yomamashouse Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Your Mamas House Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Questioning them becomes an isntinct after a while. Still, people like the "loose change" maker are assholes.

08-05-2006, 05:36 PM	#7
o_dancingfool Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yes indeed. Then there are people like FT who don't believe anything and think everything has to be and must be a lie and a conspiracy.

08-05-2006, 05:49 PM	#8
o_frenchtoast Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Markham, Ontario, Canada! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Rong. I think this is a conspiracy because when thousands of people are killed in a terrorist bombing, the administration takes little to no flack, and then everything conveniently plays out to every wish and desire of George Bush, to the extent that he can take away the freedoms of Americans and piss all over the constitution. However, I've made my viewpoint very clear in the past, so I withdraw from this thread.

08-05-2006, 05:58 PM	#9
o_dancingfool Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I've yet to look out my window and see tanks with loudspeakers telling everyone to stay in their homes.

08-05-2006, 06:34 PM	#11
o_etzell Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Actually, since he's Canadian, they aren't fighting to protect anything of his, something he'll be glad to point out.

08-05-2006, 06:37 PM	#12
o_zaskar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NY Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I just wish the umbrella that governs what is and isn't terrorism didn't keep expanding. New rules keep getting made to make terrorist activities easier to track, thats Awesome. but you will find that what is considered terrorism is gradually increasing making those new laws cover more then they probably should.

08-05-2006, 08:55 PM	#13
o_loader Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	woot another argument about america..

08-06-2006, 02:11 AM	#15
o_\|404\|innoc-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Midtown Express Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Read a little on the history of Islam and you'll see this is nothing new. We just happen to be a focal point that is getting increasingly more attention. Something funny just occurred to me...for someone that seems to have so much venom for America FT sure does spend an awful lot of time grousing about it. I was always taught that if you hate something or someone ignore it/them and put no energy into it/them.

08-06-2006, 03:22 AM	#17
o_demasu Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I love how conspiracy theories are so easily disproved by science. I have a link somewhere to the science that disproves the theories against the moon landing, and now this goes and disproves 16 theories against 9/11. I don't know about you, but if 16 of my theories were shot down by science, I'd give up on making theories.

08-06-2006, 04:40 AM	#19
o_zsilver_fox Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	Imbrifer, if you honestly believe that it's a conspiracy, then all I can say is lol. Popular Mechanics is a widely recognized magazine, and many experts and professionals were consulted in the making of that article. A college kid with iMovie doesn't match up with that. In fact, make sure that you read the viewing guide while watching the movie.

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