TF2 Trailer

o_lillbrorsan · 07-19-2006, 09:03 AM

The TF2 Trailer is expected to be avaible today on Steam at:

11AM PST
6PM GMT

http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...hreadid=462880

o_ekim · 07-19-2006, 09:32 AM

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Some of the effects, namely depth of field and motion blur, were applied via post-processing features built into the Source engine technology.

If I'm reading this right... the video won't be completely genuine in-game footage?

o_ivaqual · 07-19-2006, 09:44 AM

It will be completely genuine in-engine footage. Do not think that "post-processing feature" necessarily means that you won't see it in-game. HDR is a post-processing feature, for instance.

However, DOF and MB require way too many resources to be included in live games as of now. What happens is that they record a demo, then play it back while the engine applies the effects, in fact just like you would render a 3d animation in softwares such as 3dsmax, etc..

**mervaka** · 07-19-2006, 09:50 AM

remember the scratchy sepia DoD videos? i think that was post processing too. it's aparently not a realtime effect though, due to performance overheads:

http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2005/...effects/1.html

o_zydell · 07-19-2006, 10:05 AM

11AM PST... Isnt that NOW?

HL2 forums say: "All times are GMT. The time now is 11:06 AM."

I'm shit with these timezones I admit it, I only use GMT+1 and GMT+0 It's probably available in 6 hours from NOW am I right??

o_ivaqual · 07-19-2006, 10:21 AM

pst = gmt - 8

o_valk` · 07-19-2006, 10:58 AM

basicaly 7 hrs from NOW

**mervaka** · 07-19-2006, 11:19 AM

yup. we're in summertime so we're +1 here. expect it 7PM BST

o_tennovan · 07-19-2006, 01:26 PM

11am Pacific. That means 1 pm Central. Ok, see you guys at 1 pm!

Defrag · 07-19-2006, 01:33 PM

Simple DoF is possible to implement using early versions of SM (1.4 i think iirc) so it may be possible to use in realtime, but I may be talking out of my arse as I've never coded a DoF shader or read too much about it. Motion blur can be fairly expensive as, depending on the approach you take, it can involve rendering the same model more than once. I wouldn't be shocked if they are able to have both running in realtime and the game still be playable.

**mervaka** · 07-19-2006, 01:34 PM

DoF was done in garrysmod, so yeah its possible. motion blur is probably just as cheap to run

o_ivaqual · 07-19-2006, 01:37 PM

You are right. For example, GMod implemented both in a somewhat crude but effective manner. However, I read the DOF and MB Valve implemented are not of the "cheap kind" and are specifically made to look good and not render fast. I'd be happy if that was wrong though.

o_valk` · 07-19-2006, 01:39 PM

i doubt it will be real time otherwise they wouldnt have mentioned the post-processing part imo

**mervaka** · 07-19-2006, 01:41 PM

its not. thats exactly what it means though

EDIT: no its not, i'm talking out my ass

Defrag · 07-19-2006, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by valk`

i doubt it will be real time otherwise they wouldnt have mentioned the post-processing part imo

Post-processing is a term used to describe certain types of effects. It doesn't generally mean it's not rendered in realtime (or in this case, that it is realtime but too slow to use normally). Post-processing is basically (this is not a definition :P) rendering a scene, and then doing further work on that rendered image before displaying it. We won't know whether it's feasible to run the game with these effects until more info is forthcoming

o_ryske · 07-19-2006, 02:01 PM

TF2 trailer .. http://www.smsclan.com/index.php .. *cough*
dunno if real ,havent DL:ed yet :P

edit: yup ,its the reel thing :>

**mervaka** · 07-19-2006, 02:07 PM

uh, it seems to be hosted on the valve site?! lol

http://www.valvesoftware.com/ep2/tea...ser01_720p.wmv

ok, i played it, and it seems pretty cool. downloaded it a first time and i got cut off. did it a second time and it worked fine. the flame effect looks good, but i dunno if thats realtime rendered or not

o_riemukupl@ · 07-19-2006, 02:11 PM

What a letdown. No gameplay footage at all, just a moving pictures version of the... picture.

o_ivaqual · 07-19-2006, 02:12 PM

Downloading !!

(edit : yeah no gameplay footage at all..)

o_someoldguy · 07-19-2006, 02:12 PM

Seems real enough for me... not sure if it's going to be the same one as announced or not.

In-game (perhaps) for some of it, but seems more like a movie preview given the camera angles and movement.

The pyro flame was quite impressive!

07-19-2006, 09:03 AM	#1
o_lillbrorsan Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	TF2 Trailer The TF2 Trailer is expected to be avaible today on Steam at: 11AM PST 6PM GMT http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...hreadid=462880

07-19-2006, 09:44 AM	#3
o_ivaqual Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Europe, Front Yard Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It will be completely genuine in-engine footage. Do not think that "post-processing feature" necessarily means that you won't see it in-game. HDR is a post-processing feature, for instance. However, DOF and MB require way too many resources to be included in live games as of now. What happens is that they record a demo, then play it back while the engine applies the effects, in fact just like you would render a 3d animation in softwares such as 3dsmax, etc.. Last edited by o_ivaqual; 07-19-2006 at 09:51 AM.

07-19-2006, 09:50 AM	#4
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	remember the scratchy sepia DoD videos? i think that was post processing too. it's aparently not a realtime effect though, due to performance overheads: http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2005/...effects/1.html __________________ Support FF: Last edited by mervaka; 07-19-2006 at 10:00 AM.

07-19-2006, 11:19 AM	#8
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	yup. we're in summertime so we're +1 here. expect it 7PM BST __________________ Support FF:

07-19-2006, 01:33 PM	#10
Defrag Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Scotland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Simple DoF is possible to implement using early versions of SM (1.4 i think iirc) so it may be possible to use in realtime, but I may be talking out of my arse as I've never coded a DoF shader or read too much about it. Motion blur can be fairly expensive as, depending on the approach you take, it can involve rendering the same model more than once. I wouldn't be shocked if they are able to have both running in realtime and the game still be playable. __________________ Fortress Forever. Level Designer, Gameplay Dude and whatnot.

07-19-2006, 10:05 AM	#5
o_zydell Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	11AM PST... Isnt that NOW? HL2 forums say: "All times are GMT. The time now is 11:06 AM." I'm shit with these timezones I admit it, I only use GMT+1 and GMT+0 It's probably available in 6 hours from NOW am I right??

07-19-2006, 10:21 AM	#6
o_ivaqual Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Europe, Front Yard Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	pst = gmt - 8

07-19-2006, 10:58 AM	#7
o_valk` Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	basicaly 7 hrs from NOW

07-19-2006, 01:26 PM	#9
o_tennovan Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Texas Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	11am Pacific. That means 1 pm Central. Ok, see you guys at 1 pm!

07-19-2006, 01:34 PM	#11
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	DoF was done in garrysmod, so yeah its possible. motion blur is probably just as cheap to run __________________ Support FF:

07-19-2006, 01:37 PM	#12
o_ivaqual Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Europe, Front Yard Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	You are right. For example, GMod implemented both in a somewhat crude but effective manner. However, I read the DOF and MB Valve implemented are not of the "cheap kind" and are specifically made to look good and not render fast. I'd be happy if that was wrong though.

07-19-2006, 01:39 PM	#13
o_valk` Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i doubt it will be real time otherwise they wouldnt have mentioned the post-processing part imo

07-19-2006, 01:41 PM	#14
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	its not. thats exactly what it means though EDIT: no its not, i'm talking out my ass __________________ Support FF: Last edited by mervaka; 07-19-2006 at 01:52 PM.

07-19-2006, 02:01 PM	#16
o_ryske Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Finland Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	TF2 trailer .. http://www.smsclan.com/index.php .. cough dunno if real ,havent DL:ed yet :P edit: yup ,its the reel thing :> Last edited by o_ryske; 07-19-2006 at 02:10 PM.

07-19-2006, 02:07 PM	#17
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	uh, it seems to be hosted on the valve site?! lol http://www.valvesoftware.com/ep2/tea...ser01_720p.wmv ok, i played it, and it seems pretty cool. downloaded it a first time and i got cut off. did it a second time and it worked fine. the flame effect looks good, but i dunno if thats realtime rendered or not __________________ Support FF: Last edited by mervaka; 07-19-2006 at 02:18 PM.

07-19-2006, 02:11 PM	#18
o_riemukupl@ Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	What a letdown. No gameplay footage at all, just a moving pictures version of the... picture.

07-19-2006, 02:12 PM	#19
o_ivaqual Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Europe, Front Yard Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Downloading !! (edit : yeah no gameplay footage at all..)

07-19-2006, 02:12 PM	#20
o_someoldguy Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Just east of the jug handle Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Seems real enough for me... not sure if it's going to be the same one as announced or not. In-game (perhaps) for some of it, but seems more like a movie preview given the camera angles and movement. The pyro flame was quite impressive!

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