Possible Legalization of Weed in California

[YomMamasHouse]

Discuss/Argue/Rant so that I may observe.

[Bridget]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY

[uBeR]

Seems more likely to be decriminalized, which isn't the same, but a step in the right direction nonetheless.

[GenghisTron]

Eh, who wants legalization anyways. Decriminalization is preferable to legalization, imo.

[battery]

I am all for decriminalization.

Weed addicts will be thrown into federal prisons rather than county jails. Save California bunch of tax dollars.
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[Bridget]

Lolwhat?

[GenghisTron]

I am all for decriminalization.

Weed addicts will be thrown into federal prisons rather than county jails. Save California bunch of tax dollars.

Ummmmmm, you realize that decriminalized narcotics will mean people won't go to jail? They'll pay nominal fines, as drug use will only be counted as a misdemeanor, and weed will no longer be classified as a Schedule 1 drug, up there with heroin and crack cocaine.

[battery]

Ummmmmm, you realize that decriminalized narcotics will mean people won't go to jail? They'll pay nominal fines, as drug use will only be counted as a misdemeanor, and weed will no longer be classified as a Schedule 1 drug, up there with heroin and crack cocaine.

LOL, drug may be decriminalize under California laws, which means nothing to the DEA. California already has ceased to arrest users of "medical marijuana". But DEA is out throwing people in prison as usual.
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[GenghisTron]

LOL, drug may be decriminalize under California laws, which means nothing to the DEA. California already has ceased to arrest users of "medical marijuana". But DEA is out throwing people in prison as usual.

Yea, I realize how fascist our Federal Government is, you don't have to tell me.

[stray kitten]

Republicans -> fascists
Democrats -> fascists

Can't decide who's worse, and the next democrat who stands up and calls themselves a "liberal" is getting smacked in the face. Take your authoritarian hierarchical national government and get the fuck out ma country.

[GenghisTron]

Republicans -> fascists
Democrats -> fascists


:p

[stray kitten]

I started calling my liberal friends national socialists, which is basically the Nazi Party. If the shoe fits, fucking wear it. Lets legalize weed but control everything else. Banks, Industry, Healthcare, gun ownership, what you can buy eat, sell, who you can hire, who your are allowed to dislike who you have to like, legislate "mind crimes", etc.

Except weed.

[squeek.]

You sound like a joy to be around, stray.

[stray kitten]

They don't have a clue I am calling them a Nazi. :)

I keep that to myself and covertly sway to my hybrid political conservative, liberal, nationalist, federalist, republican (republic), globalist, libertarian, anarchist viewpoint.

So I am a joy to be around because I am never on any one side all the time. :-P

[Innoc]

You sound like a joy to be around, stray.
Stray is on my short list of people here I'd like to sit and enjoy a few beers with. I thought his previous comment was pretty funny.

[WiFiDi]

personally i think they should decriminalize the stuff. however im agianst legalizing it b/c i already know whats gonna happen. first off its not good for your lungs, (even fire isn't great for your lungs.) what did cigarette companies do to the cigarette, well they added all sorts of chemicals. making it even worse for you. so what are they logically going to do with marijuana. maybe even adding nicotine or something like that so your hooked. also it effects your driving. so they'd have to make a law for that. (no smoking while driving.) and when do people listen to laws look at the law agianst marijuana. no one seems to listen. (at least enough to bring up a debate.)

also when you give someone and inch they'll take a mile. so whats next making crack legal im sure they'll try that to. evil works it way in slowly. how do you think Hitler weaseled his way into office after he tried to take Germany by force.. same thing here just not the same situation but concept remains the same.

[Etzell]

Yep. Legalizing weed = Hitler.

[FrenchToast]

Godwin's Law in full force.

[Bridget]

also when you give someone and inch they'll take a mile. so whats next making crack legal im sure they'll try that to. evil works it way in slowly.

What's wrong with legalizing crack? I mean, beside the fact that legalization usually creates larger government, what's wrong with the act of making things that harm no one but the responsible adult capable of doing with his or her body as he or she pleases in his or her own space less of a criminal act?

[WiFiDi]

What's wrong with legalizing crack? I mean, beside the fact that legalization usually creates larger government, what's wrong with the act of making things that harm no one but the responsible adult capable of doing with his or her body as he or she pleases in his or her own space less of a criminal act?

well lets see it its really really bad for you... when your on it, you tend to harm yourself or others. and lets see being responsible doesnt include killing yourself. which is essentially what crack does.

[GenghisTron]

well lets see it its really really bad for you...

its not any worse for you than breathing in smoke from a burning pile of leaves, and it actually has medicinal value, like anti-psychotic properties, anti-nausea properties, and is a viable alternative to prescription pain medicine for certain illnesses.

when your on it, you tend to harm yourself or others.

bahahahaa

you must actually believe those ads on TV, sad

and lets see being responsible doesnt include killing yourself.

which is essentially what crack does.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8238/1282019981961.jpg

[Bridget]

well lets see it its really really bad for you... when your on it, you tend to harm yourself or others. and lets see being responsible doesnt include killing yourself. which is essentially what crack does.

This is you forcing your personal choice on other people. So what if it's bad for you? The individual in question is responsible for his or her own body. You wouldn't want the police busting your door down to stop you from eating a cookie because it might be bad for you, now would you? If you personally don't want to smoke crack, then that's your choice, but don't make other people's choices for them along the way.

While some things might increase the likelihood of causing harm to others, I think we need to consider individuals instead. For every idiot who hops into his or her truck after a long night of boozing and kills some innocent people, there are dozens of people who drink alcohol responsibly. For every criminal using a firearm for crime, there are a dozen people who use them to protect themselves, their family, their property, and other law-abiding citizens. So . . . What are you going to do? Send Timmy home with a failing grade for his personal failures or punish the whole class (who did well) in the process?

[Ricey]

What's wrong with legalizing crack? I mean, beside the fact that legalization usually creates larger government, what's wrong with the act of making things that harm no one but the responsible adult capable of doing with his or her body as he or she pleases in his or her own space less of a criminal act?

Legalize it, setup clean needles/clean shops for people. Governments are fucking stupid.

[Hammock]

crack addictions harm everyone around you, and not just the user.

Pot is not addictive, it's easy to control your usage, but harder stuff when you get addicted on, you do everything you can to get the money to buy your next score.

Now i've never tried it myself, but my roommates that were on it, would go out buy $200 worth of the stuff, go home, use it all and be calling their dealer up before the night is over. They sometimes call their dealer up a few times in one night.

Exctasy was the same way for me when I was on it. You're always wanting more, and you spend small fortunes in a single night by going back for more. One week my roommate and I spent close to $1000 on E.

With addictions like that, it's hard to keep your job, and keep getting money to pay for the addiction.

Now pot on the other hand, is far cheaper and easier to control. You make 1 purchase and it lasts for awhile, most of the time when you smoke it, you reach a certain level that makes you happy, and after awhile, you just go to sleep, you don't go out buy $200 in a night, smoke it all yourself, then go and buy some more.

Even alcohol is worse than pot in that respect. Being a pot head is faaaar cheaper than being an alcoholic. Not to mention I can go to work the next day, while going through burnout and still function. When i'm hung over at work i'm completely useless.

And going to work the next day after a night of E is not the best thing. Sure you might put your yellow happy sunglasses on and just be rockin. But you're completely useless and dangerous depending on the kind of work you do. None the less you'll still be a happy camper until the wall hits, then you're just going to pass out.

[Bridget]

Addictions would actually be less of an issue if drugs were decriminalized or legal. People avoid getting treated for drug addiction now because the drugs are illegal. Their reputation could be ruined or they could be treated like less of a human and/or a criminal.

[Hammock]

Most addicts that are addicted to the hard stuff, don't actually go for treatment or rehab until they realize what the drug itself is doing to them (ie: They've hit rock bottom or close enough).

I don't think decriminalizing the harder stuff would cause less of an issue. It'd just make the drugs easier to obtain, an addict is still going to use that drug until he hits rock bottom, and even then many of them can't give it up.

Decriminalizing harder drugs would only benefit the casual user. I have a few friends that will do the stuff only every now and then, and they're in control of their usage of it.

[stray kitten]

I don't see what is wrong with legalizing it in one state and seeing what happens. But let's do in someplace fun, like Manhattan. See what the subway ride home is like with a bunch of stoned paranoid hungry fuckers jamming reggae. I want to film that shit.

[squeek.]

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8238/1282019981961.jpg

He was talking about crack, not marijuana, in that post, for your information.

[GenghisTron]

He was talking about crack, not marijuana, in that post, for your information.

Yea, bri pointed it out to me in irc afterwards. I think I redeemed myself with that pic of Eddie Murphy :)

[stray kitten]

what chan?

[GenghisTron]

#talos