Kansas - the laughing stock of america

o_rebo · 11-09-2005, 05:38 AM

Looks like the hicks in kansas have once again bought ridicule on America. Sending education back 200 years.

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Risking the kind of nationwide ridicule it faced six years ago, the Kansas Board of Education approved new public-school science standards Tuesday that cast doubt on the theory of evolution.

The 6-4 vote was a victory for "intelligent design" advocates who helped draft the standards. Intelligent design holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power.

Critics of the new language charged that it was an attempt to inject God and creationism into public schools, in violation of the constitutional ban on state establishment of religion.

All six of those who voted for the new standards were Republicans. Two Republicans and two Democrats voted no.

In addition, the board rewrote the definition of science, so that it is no longer limited to the search for natural explanations of phenomena.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9967813/

Circuitous · 11-09-2005, 06:15 AM

*sighs

Look, there's already a school that teaches creationism. IT'S CALLED CHURCH.

Fuckin' morons. I hereby demand that churches teach Darwinism as well.

o_jinx · 11-09-2005, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

I hereby demand that churches teach Darwinism as well.

EXACTLY

o_salty milkshake · 11-09-2005, 09:54 AM

I wish I could make those daft fucks read this:

It partly looks at all the arguments for creationism and makes them look very silly. It's an excellent read, very entertaining, all good bookshops etc..

Or if that's too much like hard work then it's time for:
www.venganza.org

o_coldy · 11-09-2005, 10:08 AM

Intelligent design, stupid theory.

Lost · 11-09-2005, 12:53 PM

I am the only being super enough to have created the universe.

o_jefferino · 11-10-2005, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost

I am the only being super enough to have created the universe.

You mean your mom....

o_backstaber · 11-10-2005, 02:40 AM

And all you guys do is ridicule it. Religion is actully needed in culture, want to know why? It teaches morals, which seems to have suddenly gone missing after people started to attack the christain religion. Without morals in a society, the society eventually falls apart because people no longer want to follow rules or laws. After that, people begin to attack marriage, by introducing (gay marriage) is destroys the whole meaning of marriage. THe meaning of marriage is to make a fimily by having children. If your not going to produce children of your own, then whats the point? To tell the truth, I actully see this as a positive thing to have happened in Kansas, because it just seems like people are attempting to erase religion from everyones life. Now I know I'll be flammed for saying this, for sure I know I will. But I'm only making a true statement and I don't really need to say much more.

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 11-10-2005, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Backstaber

And all you guys do is ridicule it. Religion is actully needed in culture, want to know why? It teaches morals, which seems to have suddenly gone missing after people started to attack the christain religion. Without morals in a society, the society eventually falls apart because people no longer want to follow rules or laws. After that, people begin to attack marriage, by introducing (gay marriage) is destroys the whole meaning of marriage. THe meaning of marriage is to make a fimily by having children. If your not going to produce children of your own, then whats the point? To tell the truth, I actully see this as a positive thing to have happened in Kansas, because it just seems like people are attempting to erase religion from everyones life. Now I know I'll be flammed for saying this, for sure I know I will. But I'm only making a true statement and I don't really need to say much more.

In before the flames. Amen. You're not alone man.

o_deadly furby · 11-10-2005, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Backstaber

And all you guys do is ridicule it. Religion is actully needed in culture, want to know why? It teaches morals, which seems to have suddenly gone missing after people started to attack the christain religion. Without morals in a society, the society eventually falls apart because people no longer want to follow rules or laws. After that, people begin to attack marriage, by introducing (gay marriage) is destroys the whole meaning of marriage. THe meaning of marriage is to make a fimily by having children. If your not going to produce children of your own, then whats the point? To tell the truth, I actully see this as a positive thing to have happened in Kansas, because it just seems like people are attempting to erase religion from everyones life. Now I know I'll be flammed for saying this, for sure I know I will. But I'm only making a true statement and I don't really need to say much more.

There was a time when religion did rule the known world. It's known as the dark ages.

Jiggles · 11-10-2005, 02:50 AM

Also, before the flames: Please don't flame. Only you can prevent forum fires.

That is all

Circuitous · 11-10-2005, 02:51 AM

You want religion, go to church. You want theories, principles, and science, go to school.

School isn't stopping kids from going to church, and it's not saying the Bible is wrong (explicitly). Darwin isn't teaching immorality, either. You act like without creationism in schools, all religion is suddenly gone. Null and void. And you want others to have faith?

And while I know I can't extend this to others, necessarily, I can firmly assert that, entirely sans-religion, I'm a decent, moral human being, albeit the occasional dickhead (we all have our days).

And who says marriage is only for having children? Why can't it be something else - a bond between two (or more, if you're into polygamy) people who truly love each other? Why've you gotta be so narrow about it; denying other people their happiness? Seems kinda rude. Where's the loving your fellow man stuff gone? When did it become "Love your fellow man; unless he's queer. Then you probably ought to burn him, or something. Whatever you do, don't let him get married"? So ambiguous, this religion stuff.

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 11-10-2005, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

You want religion, go to church. You want theories, principles, and science, go to school.

School isn't stopping kids from going to church, and it's not saying the Bible is wrong (explicitly). Darwin isn't teaching immorality, either. You act like without creationism in schools, all religion is suddenly gone. Null and void. And you want others to have faith?

And while I know I can't extend this to others, necessarily, I can firmly assert that, entirely sans-religion, I'm a decent, moral human being, albeit the occasional dickhead (we all have our days).

And who says marriage is only for having children? Why can't it be something else - a bond between two (or more, if you're into polygamy) people who truly love each other? Why've you gotta be so narrow about it; denying other people their happiness? Seems kinda rude. Where's the loving your fellow man stuff gone? When did it become "Love your fellow man; unless he's queer. Then you probably ought to burn him, or something. Whatever you do, don't let him get married"? So ambiguous, this religion stuff.

I think you're reading your personal slant into what he was trying to say. I think that the theory of ID stacks up just as well as Evolution.

Circuitous · 11-10-2005, 02:59 AM

Whether or not it stacks up is irrelevant, the point is, it's already being taught in public forums across the nation. Schools don't need to carry it. Any child looking for another opinion on our origin can walk into any church of Christian faith (or any of its infinite offshoots) and learn about the 7 Days business.

I don't see Mt. Sinai up the road preaching Darwinism, so I don't see why schools should have to teach intelligent design.

o_backstaber · 11-10-2005, 03:01 AM

Yeah, he did add his little personal slant into it, thats why I pretty mcuh give up on debating. I give my point, and I'm out of it, all they do is twist my words afterwards anyways ...

Circuitous · 11-10-2005, 03:02 AM

Fine, let me make this statement, devoid of personal slant and with no regard whatsoever to my opinion on the creation of this or any world:

Unless churches teach Darwinism, schools don't have to teach creationism.

That's just fair.

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 11-10-2005, 03:05 AM

The difference is that the schools are Gov't run and churches are private. Presently the religion of secularism dominates the schools. It's only fair that the theories that encompass another perspectives be taught as well. For balance after all.

School and church are not equivalents or opposite sides of a coin.

Circuitous · 11-10-2005, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by |404|Innoc-TPF-

It's only fair that the theories that encompass another perspectives be taught as well. For balance after all.

Okay, and how does that refute my point that Darwinism should be taught in church? We want it to be balanced, right? Churches could just stop teaching creatonism altogether, that'd be fair, I guess.

Also, should we expect schools to hold classes on other forms of creationist theory? Will we have one teaching about the Titans? And the birth of the Gods? (Well, I guess they do that in middle school English.) I'm not versed in other religions, so I'm afraid I can't mention any other creationist theories, although countless exist, I'm sure. So, do we save a place for them? Or should they fall by the wayside because the parents didn't petition enough? That seems unfair, doesn't it?

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 11-10-2005, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

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Originally Posted by |404|Innoc-TPF-

It's only fair that the theories that encompass another perspectives be taught as well. For balance after all.

Okay, and how does that refute my point that Darwinism should be taught in church? We want it to be balanced, right? Churches could just stop teaching creatonism altogether, that'd be fair, I guess.

Also, should we expect schools to hold classes on other forms of creationist theory? Will we have one teaching about the Titans? And the birth of the Gods? (Well, I guess they do that in middle school English.) I'm not versed in other religions, so I'm afraid I can't mention any other creationist theories, although countless exist, I'm sure. So, do we save a place for them? Or should they fall by the wayside because the parents didn't petition enough? That seems unfair, doesn't it?

Bottom line is that schools are public/gov't controlled and churches are private. Nice to see that you did not quote that part.

o_cudweiser · 11-10-2005, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Only you can prevent forum fires.

hahaha.

11-09-2005, 06:15 AM	#2
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	*sighs Look, there's already a school that teaches creationism. IT'S CALLED CHURCH. Fuckin' morons. I hereby demand that churches teach Darwinism as well. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

11-09-2005, 12:53 PM	#6
Lost Fear teh crowbar. Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma Gametype: CTF ftw, yeh Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	I am the only being super enough to have created the universe. __________________ Do what you want cuz a pirate is free! You are a pirate!

11-10-2005, 02:51 AM	#12
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	You want religion, go to church. You want theories, principles, and science, go to school. School isn't stopping kids from going to church, and it's not saying the Bible is wrong (explicitly). Darwin isn't teaching immorality, either. You act like without creationism in schools, all religion is suddenly gone. Null and void. And you want others to have faith? And while I know I can't extend this to others, necessarily, I can firmly assert that, entirely sans-religion, I'm a decent, moral human being, albeit the occasional dickhead (we all have our days). And who says marriage is only for having children? Why can't it be something else - a bond between two (or more, if you're into polygamy) people who truly love each other? Why've you gotta be so narrow about it; denying other people their happiness? Seems kinda rude. Where's the loving your fellow man stuff gone? When did it become "Love your fellow man; unless he's queer. Then you probably ought to burn him, or something. Whatever you do, don't let him get married"? So ambiguous, this religion stuff. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

11-10-2005, 02:59 AM	#14
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Whether or not it stacks up is irrelevant, the point is, it's already being taught in public forums across the nation. Schools don't need to carry it. Any child looking for another opinion on our origin can walk into any church of Christian faith (or any of its infinite offshoots) and learn about the 7 Days business. I don't see Mt. Sinai up the road preaching Darwinism, so I don't see why schools should have to teach intelligent design. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

11-10-2005, 03:02 AM	#16
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Fine, let me make this statement, devoid of personal slant and with no regard whatsoever to my opinion on the creation of this or any world: Unless churches teach Darwinism, schools don't have to teach creationism. That's just fair. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

11-09-2005, 09:54 AM	#4
o_salty milkshake Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Coventry, UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I wish I could make those daft fucks read this: It partly looks at all the arguments for creationism and makes them look very silly. It's an excellent read, very entertaining, all good bookshops etc.. Or if that's too much like hard work then it's time for: www.venganza.org

11-09-2005, 10:08 AM	#5
o_coldy Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Intelligent design, stupid theory.

11-10-2005, 02:40 AM	#8
o_backstaber Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	And all you guys do is ridicule it. Religion is actully needed in culture, want to know why? It teaches morals, which seems to have suddenly gone missing after people started to attack the christain religion. Without morals in a society, the society eventually falls apart because people no longer want to follow rules or laws. After that, people begin to attack marriage, by introducing (gay marriage) is destroys the whole meaning of marriage. THe meaning of marriage is to make a fimily by having children. If your not going to produce children of your own, then whats the point? To tell the truth, I actully see this as a positive thing to have happened in Kansas, because it just seems like people are attempting to erase religion from everyones life. Now I know I'll be flammed for saying this, for sure I know I will. But I'm only making a true statement and I don't really need to say much more.

11-10-2005, 02:50 AM	#11
Jiggles Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CowTown Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Also, before the flames: Please don't flame. Only you can prevent forum fires. That is all

11-10-2005, 03:01 AM	#15
o_backstaber Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeah, he did add his little personal slant into it, thats why I pretty mcuh give up on debating. I give my point, and I'm out of it, all they do is twist my words afterwards anyways ...

11-10-2005, 03:05 AM	#17
o_\|404\|innoc-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Midtown Express Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The difference is that the schools are Gov't run and churches are private. Presently the religion of secularism dominates the schools. It's only fair that the theories that encompass another perspectives be taught as well. For balance after all. School and church are not equivalents or opposite sides of a coin.

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