SG push is overpowered

The Obtuse Rubber Goose · 06-26-2011, 11:59 PM

The improved bullet push should be restored to its original value. With the sentry gun and dispenser the engineer is fine the way he was. No need to make the SG more powerful

**squeek.** · 06-27-2011, 12:00 AM

Well this should be interesting.

FreaK367 · 06-27-2011, 12:11 AM

The push does seem a tad too strong, but everyone was shouting on the forums that the SG was weak and terrible, so the devs had to make people happy with something.

A common complaint was that the effort it takes to get an SG to level 3, outweighed the ease of it getting destroyed. So I'd have kept everything the same but increased the health and armour of the SG. So it would be more durable.

Raynian · 06-27-2011, 12:16 AM

...no.

**Dexter** · 06-27-2011, 12:19 AM

how about instead of pushing, the sg pulls u in to the engineer so you can attack him with the improved melee code

**Elmo** · 06-27-2011, 12:19 AM

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... And this is why the dev team can never win.

The Obtuse Rubber Goose · 06-27-2011, 12:19 AM

The sentry gun definitely shouldn't be made more durable. And I don't care about people complaining about the SG being too weak. They are wrong

Raynian · 06-27-2011, 12:28 AM

Nope.

Dravyck · 06-27-2011, 12:48 AM

Scouting against 3 SGs is hurrDs.

**Crazycarl** · 06-27-2011, 12:48 AM

Welp, time to stop reading the forums.

Dravyck · 06-27-2011, 01:42 AM

How am I suppose to own in pubs when the pushback from 3 sentry guns is OP?!

I think we all get the point

Trailer · 06-27-2011, 01:58 AM

Those of you that think the sg is over powered now.... Did any of you even play TFC?

KubeDawg · 06-27-2011, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trailer

Those of you that think the sg is over powered now.... Did any of you even play TFC?

You mean THIS sg?

YouTube

Yeah TFC SG was beast, but it was more damage than actual push back that made the SG such a beast.

Oh and why haven't we been talking about this shit yet?

YouTube

Someone hurry and remake Forever2 map so we can do this shit in FF pronto!

eomoyaff · 06-27-2011, 04:59 AM

SG was always fine. No changes needed. The only changes needed are the skill levels of the engineers who build the Sg's.

Brb, Butthurt because I'm not good enough at keeping my sentry gun up for long periods of time.

Seriously, you guys want some godly overpowered peice of shit sentry. Not going to happen. I'll say this again. FF sentry gun is a diversion weapon.

Raynian · 06-27-2011, 05:05 AM

Nope.

And to Kube - we did that on trimp_trainingz, once, on zE's server. We managed to get the SGs high enough to reach the second 'level'. Great fun. D:

Dravyck · 06-27-2011, 05:39 AM

My point is that you can't really tell how poor/well the SG is performing during one game. Give it time to see how it performs in pickups.

And I played qwtf. Now that was a game that had it's fair share of SG changes.

The Obtuse Rubber Goose · 06-27-2011, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eomoyaff

You guys want some godly overpowered peice of shit sentry. Not going to happen. I'll say this again. FF sentry gun is a diversion weapon.

Rather than calling it a diversion weapon, I think of it as a tool. The 2.41 sentry is perfect the way it is.

if an engineer is paying attention, his sentry gun and his dispenser are enough

Ventry(Leo Wainker) · 06-27-2011, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eomoyaff

Brb, Butthurt because I can no longer conc into a flag room straight into the teeth of a sentries fire, nail and gren it to death then do a 180 deg in mid air, grab the flag and exit with ease and do it over and over in a mad capping frenzy.

*fixed*

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Obtuse Rubber Goose

Rather than calling it a diversion weapon, I think of it as a tool. The 2.41 sentry is perfect the way it is.

if an engineer is paying attention, his sentry gun and his dispenser are enough

Oh BS.
I consider myself one of the better (not best) engys that still play and the old sentry sucked balls. Loved the TFC sentry.

Trailer · 06-27-2011, 06:55 AM

The TFC SG had good push and damage. There was NO class that could run straight against one. I remember as hw or soldier, the SG would literally push you back out of its range before it would actually kill you a lot of the time.

KubeDawg · 06-27-2011, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Raynian

Nope.

And to Kube - we did that on trimp_trainingz, once, on zE's server. We managed to get the SGs high enough to reach the second 'level'. Great fun. D:

Was there a video recorded of this? If not, whyyyyyyy?

06-26-2011, 11:59 PM	#1
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06-27-2011, 12:00 AM	#2
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06-27-2011, 12:16 AM	#4
Raynian D&A Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ruining #pickups Class/Position: SPAWN CAMPING OH NO Gametype: Ragequitting Affiliations: [PMS]. [Shiney] Posts Rated Helpful 26 Times	...no. __________________ 7:00 PM - zE: eh tbh i like some stuff in us but a lot of stuff in us messes with my nerves 7:00 PM - zE: like watching fox news 7:00 PM - zE: its like wtf

06-27-2011, 12:19 AM	#5
Dexter internet user Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 42 Times	how about instead of pushing, the sg pulls u in to the engineer so you can attack him with the improved melee code __________________ 9:17 PM - DEXTER: can you teach me how to play o 9:17 PM - squeek.: you jump a lot 9:18 PM - squeek.: and do sweet moves 8:55 PM - FDA: fart in you fridge and blame it on wild animals

06-27-2011, 12:19 AM	#6
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06-27-2011, 12:11 AM	#3
FreaK367 Everyones favorite FreaK D&A Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: England Class/Position: Scout, Engineer and Sniper Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 17 Times	The push does seem a tad too strong, but everyone was shouting on the forums that the SG was weak and terrible, so the devs had to make people happy with something. A common complaint was that the effort it takes to get an SG to level 3, outweighed the ease of it getting destroyed. So I'd have kept everything the same but increased the health and armour of the SG. So it would be more durable.

06-27-2011, 12:28 AM	#8
Raynian D&A Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ruining #pickups Class/Position: SPAWN CAMPING OH NO Gametype: Ragequitting Affiliations: [PMS]. [Shiney] Posts Rated Helpful 26 Times	Nope. __________________ 7:00 PM - zE: eh tbh i like some stuff in us but a lot of stuff in us messes with my nerves 7:00 PM - zE: like watching fox news 7:00 PM - zE: its like wtf

06-27-2011, 12:48 AM	#9
Dravyck Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: CONUS Class/Position: No thankyou Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Scouting against 3 SGs is hurrDs.

06-27-2011, 12:48 AM	#10
Crazycarl D&A Member Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 31 Times	Welp, time to stop reading the forums.

06-27-2011, 01:42 AM	#11
Dravyck Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: CONUS Class/Position: No thankyou Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	How am I suppose to own in pubs when the pushback from 3 sentry guns is OP?! I think we all get the point

06-27-2011, 01:58 AM	#12
Trailer [Caleb] Beta Tester Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: South Carolina Class/Position: O Scout, D demo and Engy Gametype: Attack / Defend Affiliations: -nZ [LAW] TG M\|M TRISPIRAL (Back in the TFC days) Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	Those of you that think the sg is over powered now.... Did any of you even play TFC? __________________ You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

06-27-2011, 04:59 AM	#14
eomoyaff The Crowbar Commander Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Statesville, NC Class/Position: Anything. Gametype: CTF/CP (AvD needs fixing) Posts Rated Helpful 28 Times	SG was always fine. No changes needed. The only changes needed are the skill levels of the engineers who build the Sg's. Brb, Butthurt because I'm not good enough at keeping my sentry gun up for long periods of time. Seriously, you guys want some godly overpowered peice of shit sentry. Not going to happen. I'll say this again. FF sentry gun is a diversion weapon.

06-27-2011, 05:05 AM	#15
Raynian D&A Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ruining #pickups Class/Position: SPAWN CAMPING OH NO Gametype: Ragequitting Affiliations: [PMS]. [Shiney] Posts Rated Helpful 26 Times	Nope. And to Kube - we did that on trimp_trainingz, once, on zE's server. We managed to get the SGs high enough to reach the second 'level'. Great fun. D: __________________ 7:00 PM - zE: eh tbh i like some stuff in us but a lot of stuff in us messes with my nerves 7:00 PM - zE: like watching fox news 7:00 PM - zE: its like wtf

06-27-2011, 05:39 AM	#16
Dravyck Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: CONUS Class/Position: No thankyou Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	My point is that you can't really tell how poor/well the SG is performing during one game. Give it time to see how it performs in pickups. And I played qwtf. Now that was a game that had it's fair share of SG changes.

06-27-2011, 06:55 AM	#19
Trailer [Caleb] Beta Tester Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: South Carolina Class/Position: O Scout, D demo and Engy Gametype: Attack / Defend Affiliations: -nZ [LAW] TG M\|M TRISPIRAL (Back in the TFC days) Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	The TFC SG had good push and damage. There was NO class that could run straight against one. I remember as hw or soldier, the SG would literally push you back out of its range before it would actually kill you a lot of the time. __________________ You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

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