UGC TV

raum · 11-09-2009, 02:23 PM

yesterday, couple of players have tried to see how things going on at HLTV/UGC-TV and it was resulted as a pure chaos in HLTV server when it maxed at 5/5.
every1 in server seemed very upset with this, so i dont think that was just me because of connecting from the other side of the planet

it was all like frame-by-frame.. even 1 frame per 2 seconds saometimes ;o
dont have any idea what was the reason of this. my ping was not like 500+ but everything felt so(to every1 i guess).

are we gonna be able to watch games live in this league?

(not sure if this topic belongs to Technical Support forum. is this a common problem for FF/HLTV..)

KubeDawg · 11-09-2009, 04:25 PM

This is a common problem and to my knowledge has been happening since FF has been released. It would be nice if this were fixed.

**squeek.** · 11-09-2009, 06:37 PM

What Kube said. Happened during UGC season one too.

RocKwell · 11-10-2009, 01:03 AM

Is this the only mod that this happens to?

**squeek.** · 11-10-2009, 02:30 AM

Not sure. It's not engine-wide though.

[AE] 82694 · 11-10-2009, 11:12 AM

I'm not 100 % positive But I believe it's because of the delay for the match's. Try joining a TV server that has no delay and see if the choppiness is still there.

SSCUJO · 11-11-2009, 07:01 PM

another theory i had , but never had a chance to test, is if the TV server is recording, it may cause the issue, regardless what is causing the lag is not FPS, PING, or choke, it seems to be the "in" which during a normal game runs very low, but during TV stays in the high hundreds or low thousands, peeking at times to 2000ish

SSCUJO · 11-20-2009, 06:44 PM

*****EDIT****
SOURCE TV FIXED me and rodox found the soloution, what you need to change server side will be posted by rodox here http://forums.fortress-forever.com/s...d.php?p=458006.
*****EDIT****

sorry for the double post but its been awhile and i have tried a few new things.

i did some testing, and match delays are not the cause, and neither are pre match's. so then i looked at recording, and found that both while recording and not recording hltv has the same problem with the spike once again only found at the "in". i also tested with and without players in game and in hltv.

in game with no players had almost no spike activity, but there was some even if it was small, this also goes with the corrilation of many people experiencing the spikes on explosions and conc blasts as well as shotgun blasts and other weapons fire.

the results don't change with more or less people in hltv. and the lag does not seem to be effected by the in game voice chat either, as there are times that multiple voice chats will go off and there will be no lag.

mono told me that CS:S is under the ep:1 engine, so i went to check that out, there are no lag issues there at all, atleast none related to the problem we have. CS:S also has the ability to use the other options in hltv that FF cannot use, such as player names, map overview, and minimap etc. even tho they show up in the FF hltv.

so has any coding been done at all to facilitate HLTV in anyway, like telling hltv what a player is and how to show names, or is this not supposed to be done by the mod? i also wanted to test some other third party mods that are under the ep1 engine but im not sure which ones are and which are OB so any help on that would be great.

also any other tests you guys can think of let me know so i can work on em.

*****EDIT****
SOURCE TV FIXED me and rodox found the soloution, what you need to change server side will be posted by rodox here http://forums.fortress-forever.com/s...d.php?p=458006.
*****EDIT****

11-09-2009, 02:23 PM	#1
raum D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2009 Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	UGC TV yesterday, couple of players have tried to see how things going on at HLTV/UGC-TV and it was resulted as a pure chaos in HLTV server when it maxed at 5/5. every1 in server seemed very upset with this, so i dont think that was just me because of connecting from the other side of the planet it was all like frame-by-frame.. even 1 frame per 2 seconds saometimes ;o dont have any idea what was the reason of this. my ping was not like 500+ but everything felt so(to every1 i guess). are we gonna be able to watch games live in this league? (not sure if this topic belongs to Technical Support forum. is this a common problem for FF/HLTV..) Last edited by raum; 11-09-2009 at 02:25 PM.

11-09-2009, 04:25 PM	#2
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	This is a common problem and to my knowledge has been happening since FF has been released. It would be nice if this were fixed. __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete

11-09-2009, 06:37 PM	#3
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	What Kube said. Happened during UGC season one too. __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington

11-10-2009, 01:03 AM	#4
RocKwell Regular or Menthol? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Central MI Affiliations: :e0: .o` Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Is this the only mod that this happens to? __________________ I'll blow a hole in your face, then go inside and sleep like a baby. Walt Kowalski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Mulch_faf (WIP) : FF_Sahara_b1 :

11-10-2009, 02:30 AM	#5
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	Not sure. It's not engine-wide though. __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington

11-10-2009, 11:12 AM	#6
[AE] 82694 Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'm not 100 % positive But I believe it's because of the delay for the match's. Try joining a TV server that has no delay and see if the choppiness is still there. __________________ I Love GenghisTron . I miss you sooooo Much. LOL.

11-11-2009, 07:01 PM	#7
SSCUJO Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	another theory i had , but never had a chance to test, is if the TV server is recording, it may cause the issue, regardless what is causing the lag is not FPS, PING, or choke, it seems to be the "in" which during a normal game runs very low, but during TV stays in the high hundreds or low thousands, peeking at times to 2000ish

11-20-2009, 06:44 PM	#8
SSCUJO Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	***EDIT SOURCE TV FIXED me and rodox found the soloution, what you need to change server side will be posted by rodox here http://forums.fortress-forever.com/s...d.php?p=458006. *EDIT sorry for the double post but its been awhile and i have tried a few new things. i did some testing, and match delays are not the cause, and neither are pre match's. so then i looked at recording, and found that both while recording and not recording hltv has the same problem with the spike once again only found at the "in". i also tested with and without players in game and in hltv. in game with no players had almost no spike activity, but there was some even if it was small, this also goes with the corrilation of many people experiencing the spikes on explosions and conc blasts as well as shotgun blasts and other weapons fire. the results don't change with more or less people in hltv. and the lag does not seem to be effected by the in game voice chat either, as there are times that multiple voice chats will go off and there will be no lag. mono told me that CS:S is under the ep:1 engine, so i went to check that out, there are no lag issues there at all, atleast none related to the problem we have. CS:S also has the ability to use the other options in hltv that FF cannot use, such as player names, map overview, and minimap etc. even tho they show up in the FF hltv. so has any coding been done at all to facilitate HLTV in anyway, like telling hltv what a player is and how to show names, or is this not supposed to be done by the mod? i also wanted to test some other third party mods that are under the ep1 engine but im not sure which ones are and which are OB so any help on that would be great. also any other tests you guys can think of let me know so i can work on em. *EDIT SOURCE TV FIXED me and rodox found the soloution, what you need to change server side will be posted by rodox here http://forums.fortress-forever.com/s...d.php?p=458006. *EDIT** Last edited by SSCUJO; 11-22-2009 at 08:47 AM.

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