Oh those British and their artists!

o_someoldguy · 06-10-2005, 06:40 PM

Got this from a friend:

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British student turns roadkill into objets d'art

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8169625

"They are animals people can identify and have a relationship with," she
said.

**mervaka** · 06-10-2005, 07:14 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/4077680.stm

another british artey project, turning cambridge into something out of hitchhikers guide to the galaxy... at least they wont have doors that sigh when they open and close just yet.... :D

o_storm · 06-10-2005, 08:56 PM

They obviously have American parents!

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 06-10-2005, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm

They obviously have American parents!

Probably not Storm. Most of the States made it illegal to have a relationship with an dead animal many years ago. It's still a priviledge exclusive to the UK and certain 3rd world countries as I am told...

**mervaka** · 06-10-2005, 10:50 PM

most, but not all :p

o_storm · 06-10-2005, 11:26 PM

Tell that to your deep south Innoc

And it's the Welsh that are still into annimals, although they are offitially part of the United Kingdom we like to distance ourselves from them :P

o_bluppfisk · 06-10-2005, 11:33 PM

I thought the scottish humped sheep? no offence meant.. in no way.. I just thought it were the scottish. At least that's what we read in Belgian textbooks

o_mooga · 06-10-2005, 11:48 PM

Man, what's with all these euorpeans around here?
Don't you know that the only REAL place to live is the US?
In the US, we have something called PIZZA and HAMBURGERS!

But the English have the sexist acsent in the world...
I would date almost any chick with a british ancsent.

o_thedarkone · 06-10-2005, 11:51 PM

this

is

without

o_general levy · 06-10-2005, 11:54 PM

over here we call them YBAs - Young British Artists and a lot of their work is simple derided and never even heard of.

To me this is not art. A lot of modern art seems to have a message - quite a deep message and that is fine - art combined wiht philosophical/political statements as a way of getting an idea across can be a powerful medium.

However, these days it seems to be less and less about the aestheitcs and more about the politics.

If you want to make a statement about third world poverty, or the use of animals as a mere commodity then fine - but is art really the medium to make a stand on issues like this? There are far better and wider-reaching avenues to pursue this kind of thing - the printed word either electronic and actually printed, the TV, protests etc. To me it seems quite self-serving and conceited to make a living out of highlighting political issues, without spending even maybe a year on one issue before moving onto the next.

If it is an attempt to make a difference through the spreading of thse political messages leave it to someone like Bob Geldof who is actually quite good at getting things done and probably gives more of a shit about third world poverty than some stuck up little YBA who's out to make a quick buck.

Getting back to whether this is art or not. For a lot of these people - the standard defence is "but it inspires anger - a reaction, therefore it is art". This to me is a cop out. I could go out tomorow and punch someone in the face - id probably get an angry reaction, but would it be art? No. Art, in addition to:
Having a Message
Creating a Reaction

requires one further ingredient in my mind: it has to make me react on more than simply an intellectual level, but an aesthetical level also. It has to aesthetically appeal to be art. Hirst achieved this with his Formaldehyde artwork pieces - they did have an aesthetical simplicity and weirdness to them.

On the other hand Tracy Emin's unmade bed is simply to me just that: the unmade bed of a tramp crack-hoe off the street.

o_deadeh · 06-11-2005, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mooga

Man, what's with all these euorpeans around here?
Don't you know that the only REAL place to live is the US?
In the US, we have something called PIZZA and HAMBURGERS!

But the English have the sexist acsent in the world...
I would date almost any chick with a british ancsent.

You also have alot of obesity

jk

And you obviously havent ever heard of a scouser

if you heard their accent you wouldnt want to date one of them... however if u did, a tip may be to buy a shell suit and lots of gold things

.. oh and... skunks should not be put on coffee tables... common sense really

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 06-11-2005, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mooga

<snip>
I would date almost any chick with a british ancsent.

Margaret Thatcher and Camilla Parker Bowles are, even now, jumping for joy to know that. You will be receiving a call...

o_general levy · 06-11-2005, 12:22 AM

british girls with sloaney accents sound cute to me :P

o_thedarkone · 06-11-2005, 12:42 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/ilove/year...1024/patsy.jpg

o_bluppfisk · 06-11-2005, 12:45 AM

the British are fantastic, have a great sense of humour, beautiful countryside, brilliant landscapes, the best language/accent combination in the world, have IRN-BRU and owned a good deal countries elsewhere in the world.

Unfortunately, there's a catch: living in Britain isn't easy, housing is expensive, jobs are scarce, they don't like people trying to talk like they do, they've imported obesity from the US, attack Irak every now and then and their girls are as ugly as ugly girls can get.

Yet I still want to move to some place in Britain, settle, marry Mrs. Ginger and drink tea with her parents, and throw myself off one of Dover's cliffs at the soonest occasion.

Why aye.

o_osiris · 06-11-2005, 05:51 AM

o_zeddz · 06-11-2005, 10:07 AM

It's true, a lot of british girls are ugly. However I've yet to see a hot international american student at Uni. So according to the sample of american girls I've met. Americans are far worse.

o_bluppfisk · 06-11-2005, 10:12 AM

Belgium ftw!

Sweden is all right but they don't have style and have fat bums, because of the candy they ram down their throats every day.

Brazil were the best, but then I was in some kind of slum and apparently the girls there are different from those in the big cities. Never been to a real city though. And the slums are hard to get in (and out).

I was most surprised with Denmark, Copenhagen to be correct. Nice, stylish (but not overboard) gingerhead women. Apparently, when the Danes invaded England some thousand years ago, they sent along a shipload of their ugliest killer-women to settle the island, and kept the best at home for reproduction purposes.

o_general levy · 06-11-2005, 10:17 AM

like I said the girls in London are generally a lot better - especially in the Royal Borough

**mervaka** · 06-11-2005, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluppfisk

beautiful countryside, brilliant landscapes

http://mervaka.deviantart.com

check my local countryside out, better than the rest of the country, oh and i have most the country's most ownage beaches :lol:

as for the women, theyre at both extremes of the scale.. theres some really butt ugly ones, and some REALLY fit ones down here in cornwall

06-10-2005, 06:40 PM	#1
o_someoldguy Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Just east of the jug handle Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Oh those British and their artists! Got this from a friend: ------------------------------- British student turns roadkill into objets d'art http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8169625 "They are animals people can identify and have a relationship with," she said.

06-10-2005, 07:14 PM	#2
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/4077680.stm another british artey project, turning cambridge into something out of hitchhikers guide to the galaxy... at least they wont have doors that sigh when they open and close just yet.... :D

06-10-2005, 08:56 PM	#3
o_storm Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SCOTLAND (above England) Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	They obviously have American parents!

06-10-2005, 10:50 PM	#5
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	most, but not all :p

06-10-2005, 11:26 PM	#6
o_storm Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SCOTLAND (above England) Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Tell that to your deep south Innoc And it's the Welsh that are still into annimals, although they are offitially part of the United Kingdom we like to distance ourselves from them :P

06-10-2005, 11:33 PM	#7
o_bluppfisk Join Date: May 2005 Location: Belgium Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I thought the scottish humped sheep? no offence meant.. in no way.. I just thought it were the scottish. At least that's what we read in Belgian textbooks

06-10-2005, 11:48 PM	#8
o_mooga Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: A Small Box Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Man, what's with all these euorpeans around here? Don't you know that the only REAL place to live is the US? In the US, we have something called PIZZA and HAMBURGERS! But the English have the sexist acsent in the world... I would date almost any chick with a british ancsent.

06-10-2005, 11:51 PM	#9
o_thedarkone Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	this is without

06-10-2005, 11:54 PM	#10
o_general levy Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	over here we call them YBAs - Young British Artists and a lot of their work is simple derided and never even heard of. To me this is not art. A lot of modern art seems to have a message - quite a deep message and that is fine - art combined wiht philosophical/political statements as a way of getting an idea across can be a powerful medium. However, these days it seems to be less and less about the aestheitcs and more about the politics. If you want to make a statement about third world poverty, or the use of animals as a mere commodity then fine - but is art really the medium to make a stand on issues like this? There are far better and wider-reaching avenues to pursue this kind of thing - the printed word either electronic and actually printed, the TV, protests etc. To me it seems quite self-serving and conceited to make a living out of highlighting political issues, without spending even maybe a year on one issue before moving onto the next. If it is an attempt to make a difference through the spreading of thse political messages leave it to someone like Bob Geldof who is actually quite good at getting things done and probably gives more of a shit about third world poverty than some stuck up little YBA who's out to make a quick buck. Getting back to whether this is art or not. For a lot of these people - the standard defence is "but it inspires anger - a reaction, therefore it is art". This to me is a cop out. I could go out tomorow and punch someone in the face - id probably get an angry reaction, but would it be art? No. Art, in addition to: Having a Message Creating a Reaction requires one further ingredient in my mind: it has to make me react on more than simply an intellectual level, but an aesthetical level also. It has to aesthetically appeal to be art. Hirst achieved this with his Formaldehyde artwork pieces - they did have an aesthetical simplicity and weirdness to them. On the other hand Tracy Emin's unmade bed is simply to me just that: the unmade bed of a tramp crack-hoe off the street.

06-11-2005, 12:22 AM	#13
o_general levy Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	british girls with sloaney accents sound cute to me :P

06-11-2005, 12:42 AM	#14
o_thedarkone Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/ilove/year...1024/patsy.jpg

06-11-2005, 12:45 AM	#15
o_bluppfisk Join Date: May 2005 Location: Belgium Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	the British are fantastic, have a great sense of humour, beautiful countryside, brilliant landscapes, the best language/accent combination in the world, have IRN-BRU and owned a good deal countries elsewhere in the world. Unfortunately, there's a catch: living in Britain isn't easy, housing is expensive, jobs are scarce, they don't like people trying to talk like they do, they've imported obesity from the US, attack Irak every now and then and their girls are as ugly as ugly girls can get. Yet I still want to move to some place in Britain, settle, marry Mrs. Ginger and drink tea with her parents, and throw myself off one of Dover's cliffs at the soonest occasion. Why aye.

06-11-2005, 05:51 AM	#16
o_osiris Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In your pants. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times

06-11-2005, 10:07 AM	#17
o_zeddz Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It's true, a lot of british girls are ugly. However I've yet to see a hot international american student at Uni. So according to the sample of american girls I've met. Americans are far worse.

06-11-2005, 10:12 AM	#18
o_bluppfisk Join Date: May 2005 Location: Belgium Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Belgium ftw! Sweden is all right but they don't have style and have fat bums, because of the candy they ram down their throats every day. Brazil were the best, but then I was in some kind of slum and apparently the girls there are different from those in the big cities. Never been to a real city though. And the slums are hard to get in (and out). I was most surprised with Denmark, Copenhagen to be correct. Nice, stylish (but not overboard) gingerhead women. Apparently, when the Danes invaded England some thousand years ago, they sent along a shipload of their ugliest killer-women to settle the island, and kept the best at home for reproduction purposes.

06-11-2005, 10:17 AM	#19
o_general levy Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	like I said the girls in London are generally a lot better - especially in the Royal Borough

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