Engineer VS spy sabotage time

~kev~ · 09-17-2007, 02:52 PM

Can someone clear this up for me.

Friday, while I playing on crossover, I had my sentry built in the flag room. After the first time or two this spy sabotaged my sentry I learned - if someone is at your sentry SHOOT THEM! The timing was just right, I was watching my gun, a spy ran up to it. The spy came up the spiral and went to my gun. I was standing right there - and started shooting him with the shotgun.

The spy was able to turn my gun on me before I could kill him with my shotgun.

Is this by design / was this on purpose? Is the spy sabotage time, and the engineers damage balanced out?

Should I use the rail gun instead of the shotgun to defend my sentry gun? Or is a grenade required for the fastest way to kill a spy?

What is the fastest way to kill the spy BEFORE he can sabotage my gun?

I know the proper answer is to stop the spy from getting to the sentry to start with, but besides that answer!

TurboWolf · 09-17-2007, 03:00 PM

I though the sabotage would abort if he was hit... anyway, you can still press the button and KABOOOM!!!!!

Everything · 09-17-2007, 03:03 PM

I would either detonate the sg, or use the railgun, since it does blast damage, and send him into the air a bit, thus aborting the sabotage? I just came up with that ^ lol

Nuk3m · 09-17-2007, 03:29 PM

if the spy is shot the sabotage timer resets, and he has to attempt to sabotage again which will probably be impossible because he should be dead by then

I think the timing is right. even though ive seen spies sabotage my sg in 2 seconds, what they do is strafe around it instead of blankly stare

barronofhellion · 09-17-2007, 04:11 PM

just a suggestion i think if you witness the spy sabotoge the sg , i think after you kill the spy ( for me this happens a lot ) if you go back up to the sg before it trips out and starts tk'ing everybody i think if you repair it , it should un-sabotoge ... ?

TwiNCannoN · 09-17-2007, 04:15 PM

Would be impressed if an engy managed to un-sabotage haha.

And yes, as others have said, if you're shooting the spy he won't be able to sabotage it due to his timer getting reset.

Desyphur · 09-17-2007, 04:49 PM

I dunno, I killed a full health full armor Spy with my wrench >.>

And he couldn't sabotage.

Rawh · 09-17-2007, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Desyphur

I dunno, I killed a full health full armor Spy with my wrench >.>

And he couldn't sabotage.

Spies have to continue with looking at the SG to fill their sabotage meter. Also moving it slightly a bit will cancel the bar and force them to start over.

The pistol of Engineers is the best option to be honest, since it knocks 'm back a bit

C-Aim · 09-17-2007, 06:54 PM

Just to confirm what some have said, when you shoot a spy with anything (essentially just damage them) then the hacking bar resets to zero. Hell, you can fire your shotgun every 1 second and they can't hack it. Most spys will run after the first shot though because if they are far away enough they have a chance to escape/cloak. So really it doesn't matter what you use as long as you hurt them.

On a side note, an infection makes it impossible to hack, so if you have a med in the area just ask them to heal everybody that comes in

and a spy can move around while hacking your SG as long as they do it right

**mervaka** · 09-17-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by barronofhellion

just a suggestion i think if you witness the spy sabotoge the sg , i think after you kill the spy ( for me this happens a lot ) if you go back up to the sg before it trips out and starts tk'ing everybody i think if you repair it , it should un-sabotoge ... ?

currently, if you kill the spy before he activates it, he loses his sabotage. he has to come back and try again

barronofhellion · 09-17-2007, 07:42 PM

imo i think if you kill him , and he has sabotoged then you should be able ( as engy ) to go up to the sg before it starts triping and fix it tho ( theres a like 2 or 3 second window where it does the sound like its going crazy )

~kev~ · 09-17-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rawh

Spies have to continue with looking at the SG to fill their sabotage meter. Also moving it slightly a bit will cancel the bar and force them to start over.

The pistol of Engineers is the best option to be honest, since it knocks 'm back a bit

This sounds like the best idea so far.

I would like to know what was going on - how could a spy sabotage my sentry gun while I was blasting him at the same time?

How long does it take a spy to sabotage a gun?

**mervaka** · 09-17-2007, 07:50 PM

best thing to do is to see for yourself what's possible.

09-17-2007, 02:52 PM	#1
~kev~ pmagnvs Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: East Texas Class/Position: Engineer - D Gametype: Free for all CTF - no stupid clan rules Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Engineer VS spy sabotage time Can someone clear this up for me. Friday, while I playing on crossover, I had my sentry built in the flag room. After the first time or two this spy sabotaged my sentry I learned - if someone is at your sentry SHOOT THEM! The timing was just right, I was watching my gun, a spy ran up to it. The spy came up the spiral and went to my gun. I was standing right there - and started shooting him with the shotgun. The spy was able to turn my gun on me before I could kill him with my shotgun. Is this by design / was this on purpose? Is the spy sabotage time, and the engineers damage balanced out? Should I use the rail gun instead of the shotgun to defend my sentry gun? Or is a grenade required for the fastest way to kill a spy? What is the fastest way to kill the spy BEFORE he can sabotage my gun? I know the proper answer is to stop the spy from getting to the sentry to start with, but besides that answer!

09-17-2007, 03:03 PM	#3
Everything This is still alive? Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Naples, FL Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	I would either detonate the sg, or use the railgun, since it does blast damage, and send him into the air a bit, thus aborting the sabotage? I just came up with that ^ lol __________________ Steam Profile

09-17-2007, 04:49 PM	#7
Desyphur OHH! OHHH NOOO! Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I dunno, I killed a full health full armor Spy with my wrench >.> And he couldn't sabotage. __________________ What was left of my sanity implored me not to enter...but that voice was just a whisper now.

09-17-2007, 07:50 PM	#13
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	best thing to do is to see for yourself what's possible. __________________ Support FF:

09-17-2007, 03:00 PM	#2
TurboWolf Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Spain Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I though the sabotage would abort if he was hit... anyway, you can still press the button and KABOOOM!!!!!

09-17-2007, 03:29 PM	#4
Nuk3m Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Jersey, USA! Class/Position: Scout / Offense Gametype: Capture the Flag Affiliations: :e0: Founder Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	if the spy is shot the sabotage timer resets, and he has to attempt to sabotage again which will probably be impossible because he should be dead by then I think the timing is right. even though ive seen spies sabotage my sg in 2 seconds, what they do is strafe around it instead of blankly stare

09-17-2007, 04:11 PM	#5
barronofhellion Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	just a suggestion i think if you witness the spy sabotoge the sg , i think after you kill the spy ( for me this happens a lot ) if you go back up to the sg before it trips out and starts tk'ing everybody i think if you repair it , it should un-sabotoge ... ?

09-17-2007, 04:15 PM	#6
TwiNCannoN Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Would be impressed if an engy managed to un-sabotage haha. And yes, as others have said, if you're shooting the spy he won't be able to sabotage it due to his timer getting reset.

09-17-2007, 06:54 PM	#9
C-Aim Better than Never Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NYC Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Just to confirm what some have said, when you shoot a spy with anything (essentially just damage them) then the hacking bar resets to zero. Hell, you can fire your shotgun every 1 second and they can't hack it. Most spys will run after the first shot though because if they are far away enough they have a chance to escape/cloak. So really it doesn't matter what you use as long as you hurt them. On a side note, an infection makes it impossible to hack, so if you have a med in the area just ask them to heal everybody that comes in and a spy can move around while hacking your SG as long as they do it right

09-17-2007, 07:42 PM	#11
barronofhellion Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	imo i think if you kill him , and he has sabotoged then you should be able ( as engy ) to go up to the sg before it starts triping and fix it tho ( theres a like 2 or 3 second window where it does the sound like its going crazy )

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