Weapon slots suggestion

harmonyofchaos3514 · 03-22-2012, 06:59 PM

Hi All,

this is my second post, after playing this game again recently, I had a neat idea. for the weapon slots, 1) Primary 2) secondary 3) tertiary 4) melee being last in this, then 5, 6, etc.... buildables? maybe get rid of the shotgun when they have a super shotgun. In reality the crowbar is a novelty item, with that said, although a staple representation of half-life could be ditched in all honesty. My idea is to simplify this game, because coming back to it after all this time, it is a pretty confusing game. I don't see this game ever really becoming popular to more than the community itself, but there should still be an attempt to better it for incoming players.

Scout:
1) Nailgun 2) shotgun 3) .......... 4) crowbar 5) jump pad
Sniper:
1) sniper gun 2) AR gun 3) nailgun 4) crowbar
Soldier:
1) RPG 2) super shotgun 3) shotgun 4) crowbar
Demoman:
1) pipegun 2) det gun 3) shotgun 4) crowbar 5) detbomb
Medic: (rename combat medic? so people dont think its like tf2 medic)
1) Super nail gun 2) super shot gun 3) shotgun 4) medic pack
HWGuy:
1) big gun 2) super shotgun 3) shotgun 4) crowbar
Pyro:
1) flame thrower 2) napalm launcher 3)shotgun 4) crowbar
Spy:
1) tranq 2) super shotgun 3) shotgun 4) knife
engi:
1) railgun 2) super shotgun shotgun 3) shotgun 4) wrench 5) buildable 1 6) buildable 2

aleXtric · 03-22-2012, 07:00 PM

unnecessary, people can figure it out. the weapons are in the right spots now.

**Elmo** · 03-22-2012, 07:17 PM

well... I don't think that's all such a bad idea to be honest.

For everyone who's in the game already knows about config not hard to put "bind 1 slot2" for the old config set.

I'm not saying we'd change it but I see the sense behind what he's suggested.

harmonyofchaos3514 · 03-22-2012, 09:18 PM

I can tell the staff isnt afraid to make this game its own identity, I like the idea of separating from the staple TFC design, I like the idea of getting away from tfc, I like the slow grenade and the force push, and the laser grenade, it give the game its own identity and I think the further this game develops away from the TFC, the greater it will become. TFC was an imperfect game, fun, but flawed, I like the games roots came from TFC, and I like its becoming its own man, and not the child of TFC.

I like what the staff is doing with the game, innovating instead of replicating.

**squeek.** · 03-22-2012, 10:10 PM

Making the weapon slots more intuitive is something that's been talked about for a while but never acted upon. I think if we had an option to keep the TFC-style weapon slots it could be a decent change.

**Ricey** · 03-22-2012, 10:21 PM

The only thing I dislike about the list is the engy slots, it should be Spanner, railgun,shotgun, buildables. Spanner and Railgun should always be next to each other.

Edit:

Also, it's a Spanner not a wrench.

PS. If you dont get it, then go diaf.

**Elmo** · 03-23-2012, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricey

Also, it's a Spanner not a wrench.

You're a spanner.

Raynian · 03-25-2012, 08:42 AM

It's intuitive enough as it is.

1 is always melee. Class specific melee if needed.

2 is typically the weakest weapon - the single shotty, for instance, or the railgun/tranq gun. (You have to remember, the railgun was a piece of shit backup weapon in TFC, or occasionally used on O engi to snipe buildings.) Sniper is misplaced here. Of course. (fuck the sniper)

3 is often the super shotty. 'nuff said. A great weapon, not weak, but not the mainstay of most classes.

4 is the nailgun (scout/sniper) or super nailgun, or for other classes, their second "strongest" weapon. Flamethrower, blue pipes.

5 is the "big guns". Assault cannon, IC, RPG, green pipes.

If you want to customize your keys, go into your .cfgs and do it yourself. bind 1 slot1 bind 2 slot2 etcetcetc.

AfterShock · 03-25-2012, 01:41 PM

In my mind the bigger problem is classes with empty weapon slots. The demoman has slot1 slot2 slot4 slot5. How does that make any sense?

The exact order (1 = most powerful, 5 = melee OR 1 = melee, 5 = most powerful) isn't as important IMO, although mirroring the industry standard isn't a bad thing.

Counter strike has knife in 3 right? Pistol 2, main weapon 1. But that has it's own problems: You always have slot3, and usually slot2 (unless out of ammo or dropped), and only slot1 after you've bought or picked up a weapon.

I guess you could argue that it makes more sense if slot1 is ALWAYS there, and then increasing numbers increase in power.

/onfence

FDA_Approved · 03-25-2012, 05:54 PM

It used to bug me when I first started playing. I thought the main weapons should have been slot 1 and melee in the last slot. I also think it's weird to have empty slots. But it really doesn't bother me any more.

One thing I'd really like to see is the slots in the keymaping options. I find it rather stupid that they're not. Sure you can just bind slot1 to what ever ect. But it should be easier and more accessible to others. Not every one is so savy to what binds what.

KubeDawg · 03-25-2012, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FDA_Approved

It used to bug me when I first started playing. I thought the main weapons should have been slot 1 and melee in the last slot. I also think it's weird to have empty slots. But it really doesn't bother me any more.

One thing I'd really like to see is the slots in the keymaping options. I find it rather stupid that they're not. Sure you can just bind slot1 to what ever ect. But it should be easier and more accessible to others. Not every one is so savy to what binds what.

Agreed, although I have my engineer setup to start with his Super Shotgun with lastinv going directly to the Spanner. It would be cool to have some class-specific keymapping options.

Raynian · 03-25-2012, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AfterShock

In my mind the bigger problem is classes with empty weapon slots. The demoman has slot1 slot2 slot4 slot5. How does that make any sense?

The exact order (1 = most powerful, 5 = melee OR 1 = melee, 5 = most powerful) isn't as important IMO, although mirroring the industry standard isn't a bad thing.

Counter strike has knife in 3 right? Pistol 2, main weapon 1. But that has it's own problems: You always have slot3, and usually slot2 (unless out of ammo or dropped), and only slot1 after you've bought or picked up a weapon.

I guess you could argue that it makes more sense if slot1 is ALWAYS there, and then increasing numbers increase in power.

/onfence

I feel removing the empty slots would just confuse some people. Why would 3 be for demo pipes, when most others have a sshotty there? What if you hit 3+mouse1, then end up shooting a blue that winds up in your face?

Honestly, once you play for a few hours, it becomes intuitive anyways, but...I much prefer the way it is.

**Elmo** · 03-26-2012, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KubeDawg

Agreed, although I have my engineer setup to start with his Super Shotgun with lastinv going directly to the Spanner. It would be cool to have some class-specific keymapping options.

I've wanted to do this for a long time but it's never materialized.

03-22-2012, 06:59 PM	#1
harmonyofchaos3514 D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	Weapon slots suggestion Hi All, this is my second post, after playing this game again recently, I had a neat idea. for the weapon slots, 1) Primary 2) secondary 3) tertiary 4) melee being last in this, then 5, 6, etc.... buildables? maybe get rid of the shotgun when they have a super shotgun. In reality the crowbar is a novelty item, with that said, although a staple representation of half-life could be ditched in all honesty. My idea is to simplify this game, because coming back to it after all this time, it is a pretty confusing game. I don't see this game ever really becoming popular to more than the community itself, but there should still be an attempt to better it for incoming players. Scout: 1) Nailgun 2) shotgun 3) .......... 4) crowbar 5) jump pad Sniper: 1) sniper gun 2) AR gun 3) nailgun 4) crowbar Soldier: 1) RPG 2) super shotgun 3) shotgun 4) crowbar Demoman: 1) pipegun 2) det gun 3) shotgun 4) crowbar 5) detbomb Medic: (rename combat medic? so people dont think its like tf2 medic) 1) Super nail gun 2) super shot gun 3) shotgun 4) medic pack HWGuy: 1) big gun 2) super shotgun 3) shotgun 4) crowbar Pyro: 1) flame thrower 2) napalm launcher 3)shotgun 4) crowbar Spy: 1) tranq 2) super shotgun 3) shotgun 4) knife engi: 1) railgun 2) super shotgun shotgun 3) shotgun 4) wrench 5) buildable 1 6) buildable 2

03-22-2012, 07:17 PM	#3
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	well... I don't think that's all such a bad idea to be honest. For everyone who's in the game already knows about config not hard to put "bind 1 slot2" for the old config set. I'm not saying we'd change it but I see the sense behind what he's suggested. __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999)

03-22-2012, 09:18 PM	#4
harmonyofchaos3514 D&A Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	I can tell the staff isnt afraid to make this game its own identity, I like the idea of separating from the staple TFC design, I like the idea of getting away from tfc, I like the slow grenade and the force push, and the laser grenade, it give the game its own identity and I think the further this game develops away from the TFC, the greater it will become. TFC was an imperfect game, fun, but flawed, I like the games roots came from TFC, and I like its becoming its own man, and not the child of TFC. I like what the staff is doing with the game, innovating instead of replicating. Last edited by harmonyofchaos3514; 03-22-2012 at 09:18 PM.

03-22-2012, 10:10 PM	#5
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03-22-2012, 10:21 PM	#6
Ricey UI Designer Front-End Developer Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2008 Location: Winter Park, FL Class/Position: D Eng Gametype: CTF 9v9 Affiliations: .gr , smr Posts Rated Helpful 46 Times	The only thing I dislike about the list is the engy slots, it should be Spanner, railgun,shotgun, buildables. Spanner and Railgun should always be next to each other. Edit: Also, it's a Spanner not a wrench. PS. If you dont get it, then go diaf. __________________ Support FF: Maps : Haste \|Scrummage \|Mulch_Trench Voltage \| Exchange Classic \| Fortsake ricecakes: I demand SGs get a buff squeek.: buy it a gym membership 'I have an eye for design' - Kube 2014 Last edited by Ricey; 03-22-2012 at 10:23 PM.

03-22-2012, 07:00 PM	#2
aleXtric #FF.Pickup Dictator Beta Tester Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Detroit Gametype: ADL Affiliations: KiNGz . Posts Rated Helpful 100 Times	unnecessary, people can figure it out. the weapons are in the right spots now.

03-25-2012, 08:42 AM	#8
Raynian D&A Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ruining #pickups Class/Position: SPAWN CAMPING OH NO Gametype: Ragequitting Affiliations: [PMS]. [Shiney] Posts Rated Helpful 26 Times	It's intuitive enough as it is. 1 is always melee. Class specific melee if needed. 2 is typically the weakest weapon - the single shotty, for instance, or the railgun/tranq gun. (You have to remember, the railgun was a piece of shit backup weapon in TFC, or occasionally used on O engi to snipe buildings.) Sniper is misplaced here. Of course. (fuck the sniper) 3 is often the super shotty. 'nuff said. A great weapon, not weak, but not the mainstay of most classes. 4 is the nailgun (scout/sniper) or super nailgun, or for other classes, their second "strongest" weapon. Flamethrower, blue pipes. 5 is the "big guns". Assault cannon, IC, RPG, green pipes. If you want to customize your keys, go into your .cfgs and do it yourself. bind 1 slot1 bind 2 slot2 etcetcetc. __________________ 7:00 PM - zE: eh tbh i like some stuff in us but a lot of stuff in us messes with my nerves 7:00 PM - zE: like watching fox news 7:00 PM - zE: its like wtf Last edited by Raynian; 03-25-2012 at 08:43 AM.

03-25-2012, 01:41 PM	#9
AfterShock Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 45 Times	In my mind the bigger problem is classes with empty weapon slots. The demoman has slot1 slot2 slot4 slot5. How does that make any sense? The exact order (1 = most powerful, 5 = melee OR 1 = melee, 5 = most powerful) isn't as important IMO, although mirroring the industry standard isn't a bad thing. Counter strike has knife in 3 right? Pistol 2, main weapon 1. But that has it's own problems: You always have slot3, and usually slot2 (unless out of ammo or dropped), and only slot1 after you've bought or picked up a weapon. I guess you could argue that it makes more sense if slot1 is ALWAYS there, and then increasing numbers increase in power. /onfence Last edited by AfterShock; 03-25-2012 at 01:43 PM.

03-25-2012, 05:54 PM	#10
FDA_Approved Beta Tester Join Date: Nov 2011 Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 293 Times	It used to bug me when I first started playing. I thought the main weapons should have been slot 1 and melee in the last slot. I also think it's weird to have empty slots. But it really doesn't bother me any more. One thing I'd really like to see is the slots in the keymaping options. I find it rather stupid that they're not. Sure you can just bind slot1 to what ever ect. But it should be easier and more accessible to others. Not every one is so savy to what binds what.

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