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The EC1 was not a transportation panacea. It only addressed a small segment of the transportation market. You also have the fundamental law of physics relative to the amount of energy needed to move a mass. Contrast that issue against battery energy density and grossly inadequate power generation and distribution grids and you have a "solution" (the EC1) that was inadequate then and is grossly inadequate now. As to solar and wind....have any of you actually researched and analyzed the natural resource commitment needed to implement commercial solar farms? Here's a suggestion
I think that if you understand and know the answers to what I've just listed we will be having a different conversation. BTW, I speak from experience in the implementation of solar and wind generation. Renewable energy is fantastic at the micro-level but it degrades and becomes useless at the large scale level. edit: The claim that solar has come along way since the 70's is not true. Solar panel efficiencies have not changed very much. Conversion, inversion and storage efficiencies have improved some but the overall technology hasn't changed much.
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06-23-2010, 03:00 PM | #62 | |
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--- Innoc, I said solar power, not solar panels, "solar" has come a long way. That 3 dollar solar landscape light at Wal-Mart is proof. However the panels have become more efficient over the years by concentrating light onto the photovoltaic cells. First 30 percent conversion in the 90s and now 40 percent. It is interesting that with all of Obamas talk on solar I find this snippit of the DOE website, lol? Quote:
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06-23-2010, 05:09 PM | #64 |
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You're right. We're overlooking one of the most vast sources of raw power. Fat people. Obama should invest in producing giant hamster wheels that fat people can run in, and require every citizen to "do their part" and run for one hour a day. Not only will that solve all the enegy issues forever, but it will also solve the obesity epidemic.
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40 percent is fairly new, 2007. But the last leap, 33 percent, was taken and used quickly especialy by the space industry. Actually when looking for that 40 percent link I found someone who has it up to 42 percent now. The same dudes driving a 42 percent record are the same dudes that gave us the internet (DARPA). Maybe we are leading the world in renewable energy? At least in solar. The EU is keen on Wind it seems and everyone else on the planet outside of EU and USA would risk war for Nuclear. http://www.energy.gov/print/4503.htm http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/...ficiency-49483 Quote:
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06-25-2010, 10:06 PM | #67 | |
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But the cells on those lights and the ones on your house are different. Those flexible thin cells on a calculator might eek out 6 percent and the ones on your house are in the teens as far as efficiency. Some I looked at for a project (fountain pump) generated 1 watt per square foot. That's 10 percent efficiency based on the STC formula. But efficiency only means you need more space, or more panels. If you need 2 watts of power you need 2 panels at 10 percent or 1 higher efficient panel. The sun is free. Look a cool chart .... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...v100414%29.png But yeah, solar isn't going to do much outside running some lights or a small electric device. Looking at commercial power generation will tell you solar is fairly worthless at that level. *and pretty much a waste of tax money Look a cool site... http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electri...ble1_20_a.html but then again, based on solar sales we should be generating a couple billion megawatts a year outside of commercial production. If that thinking is correct, that is fairly significant. Solar is magic fair dust at the moment, Greens, libs, whatever have to accept that Nuclear is the only option outside of fossil fuels. They won't so keep on chuggin the black gold. Canada thanks you, the oil consumer
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http://www.montrealgazette.com/techn...723/story.html
Thought I'd post this here, since it was mentioned here. This article talks about some of the deficiencies and complications of the use of Wind power. |
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About a month ago the first ever 24 hour piloted solar flight was made. Yes, a fucking airplane with a human in it that is solar. Amazing. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10550430
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