FF Steamworks/Orange Box/etc. Discussion - Page 5

greenday5494 · 10-28-2008, 07:39 PM

no need to start throwing insults. what i meant was, you contradicted yourself, is because you said FF will have pointless achievements, then you said it will be good if they dont unlock anything

Circuitous · 10-28-2008, 07:39 PM

Don't mind him, GD.

greenday5494 · 10-28-2008, 07:44 PM

will do.

**mervaka** · 10-29-2008, 03:29 PM

i'm sure achievements could be carefully made not "grindable" (ie get x caps, kill y people with ff_weapon_z...) and instead in a constructive manner (ie cap on map ff_a within b time)

im2cool4uroflolz · 11-10-2008, 10:33 AM

I hope we'll get accepted to Steamworks before we get OB'd, because my comp has heavy graphical glitches while running them: but not Insurgency.

Also, we need to have an achievement involving hitting the enemy window on Aardvark.

caesium · 11-10-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by im2cool4uroflolz

Also, we need to have an achievement involving hitting the enemy window on Aardvark.

there already is! not many ppl know about it, but if you hit outside of window one hundred times (in one map), while saying "LULVARKTEHRUFLS" on mm1 at _exactly_ the same time as you hit the window every time, then you unlock the UBERVARK (sumon it to your aid at any time by pressing slot9, then attack2 to upgrade).

pro tip if you're having trouble with the timing: bind mouse1 "say LULVARKTEHRUFLS"

but erm yeah, i hate the idea that multiplayer games somehow need achievements

i'll play a game if i find the game fun (which with competitive games envolves enjoying the challenge ofc), not to just tick off crap on some list so i can print it out and show it to a girl in exchange for sex. and before someone says OH LOL BUT ACHIEVEMENTS ROCKS COS THEY UNLOCKS YOU TEH BIG GUN AND TEH HELICOPTER AND TEH FASTEST CAR THAT CAN FLY1111........................................... ........... why are 99% of professional games developers mentally retarded these days, or is it just a sick joke they all find funny?

Credge · 11-10-2008, 01:27 PM

No, no game needs achievements. Not a single one. It's never a bad thing to have them, and seeing as how they're incredibly easy to create... why not have them?

In regards to FF, it wouldn't matter what kind they were. Since nothing is being unlocked, it doesn't really matter if there is an achievement to get 20,000,000 kills. It's just there.

BUT SERIOUSLY ACHIEVEMENTS NEED TO BE IN SO I CAN TALK ABOUT MY E-PENIS

Circuitous · 11-10-2008, 07:29 PM

The achievements will all be physically impossible. There will be no way to actually unlock them, they'll just be there.

Kill 97 Scouts in 5 seconds with the Tommy Gun.
Demolish the Red Base in ff_2fort.
On Defense in ff_dustbowl, push the Attackers back and capture Point Zero.
In ff_aardvark, have a picnic with the Aardvark five times in one round.

Leandros · 11-10-2008, 09:19 PM

Obviously there's not a lot of support for achievements and I understand that but I'm fairly sure there's a relation between the whole achievement happening and the popularity of games that have them (TF2, Xbox Live games), however small. Obviously Valve is implementing them for a reason: it keeps people playing, raises competitivity.

Weapon unlocks, IMO, are a bad idea as it just skews the balance of the game. But give the new players something to play for if they don't immediately like the game, it's not always love on first sight.
Maybe something else would be nice though, some sort of logo on the scoreboard or what the fuck ever to keep the simpletons amused.

Just make sure the achievements aren't grindable shit. Stuff like "Perform a double rampslide" (or even triple!) or "On this conc map, get this high with only concs/rockets/pipes". Whatever, have people raise their bars and increase skills. Should be easy to check for cheating with LUA (or not, I truly don't know!).
Just my ¤0.02

Ihmhi · 11-10-2008, 09:37 PM

Holy shit, hey Leandros!

Lt Llama · 11-10-2008, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ihmhi

Holy shit, hey Leandros!

Leandros · 11-10-2008, 11:03 PM

Yo. Was actually looking for a certain dm map but I thought I'd read up on what's going on!

MatiZ · 11-13-2008, 07:41 PM

Ok devs, L4D premiere is near, will you update to it's engine? From demo i see it's much better than TOB one.

Circuitous · 11-13-2008, 09:31 PM

I don't suspect that option will even present itself for quite a while.

Leandros · 11-15-2008, 04:59 PM

The SDK will probably release soon for it so why not? It's 20 got revisions on the OB one.

greenday5494 · 11-15-2008, 05:26 PM

i agree. the multi-core in L4D is very good

MatiZ · 11-15-2008, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leandros

The SDK will probably release soon for it so why not? It's 20 got revisions on the OB one.

22. And I see L4D engine is more stable. Really.

Lateralols · 11-15-2008, 08:54 PM

For those of us with shitty computers, that'd be bad.

Don't do it.

GeoKill-----> · 11-16-2008, 04:13 AM

those with shitty computers can run l4d just fine

Zuljin · 11-16-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GeoKill----->

those with shitty computers can run l4d just fine

I'm not sure you know how bad Lat's computer is. He gets it to barely playable in FF with everything at low and 800x600. I probably wouldn't be able to play it either.

10-28-2008, 07:39 PM	#81
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	no need to start throwing insults. what i meant was, you contradicted yourself, is because you said FF will have pointless achievements, then you said it will be good if they dont unlock anything __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

10-28-2008, 07:39 PM	#82
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Don't mind him, GD. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

10-28-2008, 07:44 PM	#83
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	will do. __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

11-10-2008, 01:27 PM	#87
Credge FF Loremaster Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 4 Times	No, no game needs achievements. Not a single one. It's never a bad thing to have them, and seeing as how they're incredibly easy to create... why not have them? In regards to FF, it wouldn't matter what kind they were. Since nothing is being unlocked, it doesn't really matter if there is an achievement to get 20,000,000 kills. It's just there. BUT SERIOUSLY ACHIEVEMENTS NEED TO BE IN SO I CAN TALK ABOUT MY E-PENIS __________________ "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

11-10-2008, 07:29 PM	#88
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	The achievements will all be physically impossible. There will be no way to actually unlock them, they'll just be there. Kill 97 Scouts in 5 seconds with the Tommy Gun. Demolish the Red Base in ff_2fort. On Defense in ff_dustbowl, push the Attackers back and capture Point Zero. In ff_aardvark, have a picnic with the Aardvark five times in one round. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

10-29-2008, 03:29 PM	#84
mervaka A Very Sound Guy! Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts Rated Helpful 15 Times	i'm sure achievements could be carefully made not "grindable" (ie get x caps, kill y people with ff_weapon_z...) and instead in a constructive manner (ie cap on map ff_a within b time)

11-10-2008, 10:33 AM	#85
im2cool4uroflolz y halo thar Join Date: Mar 2008 Class/Position: Lord of Random Sentry Placement Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I hope we'll get accepted to Steamworks before we get OB'd, because my comp has heavy graphical glitches while running them: but not Insurgency. Also, we need to have an achievement involving hitting the enemy window on Aardvark.

11-10-2008, 09:19 PM	#89
Leandros Cool Cat Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dutchelandae Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Obviously there's not a lot of support for achievements and I understand that but I'm fairly sure there's a relation between the whole achievement happening and the popularity of games that have them (TF2, Xbox Live games), however small. Obviously Valve is implementing them for a reason: it keeps people playing, raises competitivity. Weapon unlocks, IMO, are a bad idea as it just skews the balance of the game. But give the new players something to play for if they don't immediately like the game, it's not always love on first sight. Maybe something else would be nice though, some sort of logo on the scoreboard or what the fuck ever to keep the simpletons amused. Just make sure the achievements aren't grindable shit. Stuff like "Perform a double rampslide" (or even triple!) or "On this conc map, get this high with only concs/rockets/pipes". Whatever, have people raise their bars and increase skills. Should be easy to check for cheating with LUA (or not, I truly don't know!). Just my ¤0.02

11-10-2008, 09:37 PM	#90
Ihmhi [AE] 0112 Ihmhi SJB Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Newark, NJ, United States Class/Position: A little bit o' everythin' Gametype: Also a little bit o' everythin' Affiliations: [AE] Asseater, SJB Straight Jacket Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Holy shit, hey Leandros! __________________ Support FF: Anime: The Thread: Reloaded The one and only anime thread on these here forums. Select the pistol, and then, select your horse.

11-10-2008, 11:03 PM	#92
Leandros Cool Cat Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dutchelandae Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yo. Was actually looking for a certain dm map but I thought I'd read up on what's going on!

11-13-2008, 07:41 PM	#93
MatiZ FFcrab Join Date: May 2008 Location: Poland Class/Position: Spectator Gametype: Fragfest (Sometimes without "r".) Affiliations: LCD Posts Rated Helpful 4 Times	Ok devs, L4D premiere is near, will you update to it's engine? From demo i see it's much better than TOB one.

11-13-2008, 09:31 PM	#94
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	I don't suspect that option will even present itself for quite a while. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

11-15-2008, 04:59 PM	#95
Leandros Cool Cat Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dutchelandae Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The SDK will probably release soon for it so why not? It's 20 got revisions on the OB one.

11-15-2008, 05:26 PM	#96
greenday5494 Holy shit, thats kerrigan! D&A Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Class/Position: D, whatever the team needs, usually engy Gametype: AvD Affiliations: None Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	i agree. the multi-core in L4D is very good __________________ http://static.adrive.com/images/ads/...rbo_468x60.gif DAN MAPES!

11-15-2008, 08:54 PM	#98
Lateralols mimic Altar`aG Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Rapid City, SD Class/Position: Sollymer D Gametype: Amature CTF 5v5 Affiliations: mimic Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	For those of us with shitty computers, that'd be bad. Don't do it. __________________ [Alligator] Today we had the chance of playing the team that plays FF 24/7. Alligator - Playing time:94.6 hrs past 2 weeks #mimic we play FF 24/7

11-16-2008, 04:13 AM	#99
GeoKill-----> Community Member Server Owner Beta Tester Forum Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hawthorne, California Class/Position: Soldier/Spy/Scout Gametype: AvD Affiliations: :e0:Eternal Order Leader Posts Rated Helpful 12 Times	those with shitty computers can run l4d just fine __________________ Fortress-Forever Guides All Your Mapping Needs :e0: Will live on Forever Support FF:

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