Something that can more people play Fortress Forever

[iAmaNoob]

Something I found while surfing the web:
http://planethalflife.gamespy.com/Vi...s.Detail&id=20
This article talks about the mistakes a mod team could make.

I think the developers made mistake No. 3. Lack of Marketing Awareness and Rationale

The mod isn't featured very often on YouTube and other websites. And that's why FF isn't well known outside of the forum. There is a solution though, a YouTuber can make a gameplay on FF(no, not some random YouTuber, I meant a YouTube star in the gaming section, like Niitch, SeaNanners and some others), if successful, more people will check out FF and more people might play it! And some similar happened to a mod called Suicide Surivival, SeaNanners posted a video about it and it made the mod's popularity skyrocket into the Popular Mod listing on Moddb. This is a serious matter, up to now, I've only played in a populated server once, and it was a server with only 4-6 people.

I know I know, the server gets busy around 5pm EST, but by that time, it's 6am here! I can't possibly wake up at 6 just to play FF!

So here's what I have to say about the low player problem in FF, I hope the dev team can take it into some consideration.

[FDA_Approved]

The problem is we can't just make a youtuber play FF. And a lot of them don't take requests or suggestions really. Sea nanners has also been playing hidden source, and while I haven't checked, I kind of doubt if it's really done much for the game. While we would deffinately see results from something like that, I don't think it'd be very much.

Another problem is that most of the cool stuff in FF is hidden behind a door of practice and experience. A popular youtuber, brand new to this game could very likely do very poorly without conveying all the neat tricks and mechanics. Which would make the game look pretty bad. Games like the hidden with in-your-face clear gimicks are much easier to just hop onto and start having fun, which is what most youtubers are looking for. They need to entertain an audience, and the quicker and easier it is to have fun the better that can do it.

I guess the point is that FF is a pretty serious and deep, niche game. Not particularly the thing youtubers are looking for.

But it would be very helpful, I'll give you that. We would definately see a lot of new players. And while I don't think it'd last very long, it'd certainly be wonderful while it lasted.

So the main obsticle is how to get someone like that to play this game.

[WiFiDi]

i don't think any one youtuber is gonna fix the problem. basically what i would of said was what FDA said so i leave it to him.

however that doesn't mean i think its hopeless but putting all your eggs in one basket is. tbh I've been planning to make a youtube video featuring FF. but im lazy and haven't made time to put it together also i need more footage but i also need to figure out how to access recorded matches.

[squeek.]

Originally Posted by WiFiDi

i don't think any one youtuber is gonna fix the problem. basically what i would of said was what FDA said so i leave it to him.

however that doesn't mean i think its hopeless but putting all your eggs in one basket is. tbh I've been planning to make a youtube video featuring FF. but im lazy and haven't made time to put it together also i need more footage but i also need to figure out how to access recorded matches.

http://www.ffpickup.com/?p=demos

[WiFiDi]

Originally Posted by squeek.

http://www.ffpickup.com/?p=demos

well that solves that problem thanks squeek.

[XPelargos]

watch nothing come from this.

I'm just being cynical, I promise I love you WiFi, just . . .

yeah.

NeoN, please let me shoutcast some matches/pickups/whatever with you sometime? It would be amazing.

K thx.

[pF]

I'm not sure how one would market FF.. I think trying to appeal to a broad audience would not make sense, maybe copy whatever Shootmania is doing.. they're aiming at a hardcore, team based E-sports target group, if I'm not mistaken. And it's a terrible game compared to FF.

[NeonLight]

And it's terribly failing

[pF]

That's a relief, at least

[WiFiDi]

Originally Posted by XPelargos

watch nothing come from this.

I'm just being cynical, I promise I love you WiFi, just . . .

yeah.

NeoN, please let me shoutcast some matches/pickups/whatever with you sometime? It would be amazing.

K thx.

YouTube

YouTube

YouTube

YouTube

you may be cynical and/or right (we shall see. ) however i am still very capable of pulling this off as soon as i get my head out of my ass and make it.

firstly i need to get a screen recorder so it might take a bit to get it.

[jmedilevilir]

The game has 2.5 dudes playing it AKA new players usually won't have anyone to play with so they will assume that the game is dead and uninstall it.

[iAmaNoob]

Don't you find it ironic that more people go to the forums than the actual mod itself?

[FDA_Approved]

Not true.

[Lynus]

hi FDA

[XPelargos]

hi FDA

[Default Player]

Agree with op post about initial lack of awareness, but a few youtube vids or ads wont solve a problem that can't be fixed....

When I started TFC, I was 1. a kid with too much time in his hands and 2. there was not much choice of online FPS' that I could play...it was either TFC, CS or Quake, dont even think UT was out yet. Now theres at least 15 other choices, across different platforms, all much more easily accessible and easier to play. Some kid now tries FF, will say wtf is going on and go to COD.

Even the likes of CS GO imo is a failure in terms of bringing the numbers, its just that it already had a massive community of CS players behind it that that came across to keep that alive. I don't even see that many new players coming into CS GO!

For FF...the numbers were already declining in TFC when FF came out (I stopped playing just before that stage and went to CS), and in terms of clans.....UE, SHS, KosM was gone way before, BC and DW just dissolved (but most members reformed) I cant say for certain what the NA community was like but I can bet it was declining too. Too few people picked up on FF as a result and yes lack of awareness played a part to that.....(kudos to the devs tho for doing something like this in their time for free!)

If by some miracle a dev with too much time in his hands might commit to remaking FF (ala TFC2), with updated graphics and gameplay and give it exposure, so that all the oldskools would think "hey, i'd give this a go, even just casually, as I had fold memories" (I certainly would, for old times sake), it might work. Probably not tho, but I can dream...

Just an old TFCer ranting

[Dylstew]

It does help, actually. Totaliscuit for example brings some people to games. A lot of reviewers advertise games they like aswell. For example, brutalmoose, peanutbuttergamer, jontron,projared and evne egoraptor all advertised chivalry:medieval warfare because they thought it was awesome.

Not only that, you'd be surprised at the amount of people actually want to play an old school shooter again. It's just that either they think this game is a rip off of TF2 or TFC, they don't know the game exists(because of lack of advertisement), or they see that nobody is playing and immediately uninstall.
But I think there are enough people that would play a game like this, but right now, even Zandronum and Zdaemon, 2 doom sourceports, have way more players playing each day. Most old school fps might have low playercounts, but at least I can find a game most of the time. In FF, that´s not the case.
I guess that one problem is, the people interested in these types of games are ususally adults and young adults, because these type of games are old, it's a pretty dead genre. However, teenagers( like me) have a lot of free time on their hands to play multiplayer games, and that would keep the playercounts up. I guess it's harder to get teenagers into this game, especially the mainstream ones who only care about graphics and don't want to try something different. But hey, TF2 is very popular with my age group and many that aren't stupid as fuck actually do want to know what older team fortress games were like, or try something different.

[surfrock]

if FF work on linux i could play it!!!

is really hard do it FF work on linux?
i do not know nothing about gaming code.

thanks

[Agent Buckshot Moose]

Originally Posted by surfrock

if FF work on linux i could play it!!!

is really hard do it FF work on linux?
i do not know nothing about gaming code.

thanks

Only the very latest Source SDK supports Linux, and FF is behind that by 2 (3?) versions and it would require a lot of porting work. FF might work under Wine, but last time I tried it, it would simply crash after awhile. Never bothered to dive into why.

[Lynus]

u guys really think this games going to get popular don't u?