Fortress Points Rescaling

[WiFiDi]

since I seem to have hijacked Dylstew's thread and there seems to be more discussion on the topic I figure it should be it's own thread. (sorry dylstew )

anyways as i in the previous thread said i was working on a list before i started assgining values so heres what i have so far edit as i go. its a google doc to work on it as well as you will be able to give me your opinions as i go and potential collaboration. (ask premisson and i can add you to the page.)

Google Doc

since i don't have an official list i am getting ideas/items from TF2s point system and shamelessly stealing them to try and get an idea of what is suppose to be on this.

note i have added in triggers im pretty sure don't exist in the game part of my plan. i wanted to try and add losing points on death though the idea is that you won't lose as many points as you can gain from a kill. the idea is that the stats will essentially track them even if they don't largely effect your score.

I also would like to mock up a better scoreboard but I don't have art skills. that can come later.

[PHISH]

just one comment- I really don't believe it is a good idea to subtract points for dying. Dying itself has it's own inherent punishment and subtracting score would disproportionately affect offensive players. There needn't be any further encouragement to 'not die'.

When you are playing offense it has always been a good sign if you have a LOT of deaths because it means you had streamlined your runs and were putting pressure on the defense that much more often. The nice thing about tfc and FF is that it promotes aggressive and risky play because while dying is punished by taking you out of the action, it is not punished so severely (i.e. no 10 second respawn times) as to make you play very passively and conservatively. If anything players need to be encouraged to be even more aggressive in the game...adding a point penalty for dying would go the wrong direction.

[Iggy]

^^^^ That.

Actually, if you can factor in WHERE you died(enemy base, your base, mid-field, with flag, without flag.... etc), you might be able to make a loss of a point have some value, but dying on O, having the flag, and losing points.... that's just a bad idea.

I'll take a look at the chart you're proposing, and make known any ideas I might have. I don't need to edit the actual file.

[caesium]

Where's the current list of FP actions/rewards?

I could look myself but I'm quite lazy. Is there an equivalent of the bat-signal for squeek?

[squeek.]

FP rewards are scattering throughout C++ and Lua. Compiling a definitive list would take some effort.

[squeek.]

Actually, never mind, it's pretty simple. Here's search results for AddFortPoints in C++:

  game_shared\ff\ff_weapon_spanner.cpp(144):				pPlayer->AddFortPoints( ( iArmorGiven*0.5 ), "#FF_FORTPOINTS_GIVEARMOR");
  game_shared\ff\ff_weapon_spanner.cpp(196):						pPlayer->AddFortPoints(iHealthGiven*0.1, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_REPAIRTEAMDISPENSER");
  game_shared\ff\ff_weapon_spanner.cpp(255):							pPlayer->AddFortPoints(100, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_UPGRADETEAMMATESG");
  game_shared\ff\ff_weapon_spanner.cpp(295):						pPlayer->AddFortPoints(cells*0.3, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_REPAIRTEAMMATESG");
  game_shared\ff\ff_gamerules.cpp(1848):					pScorer->AddFortPoints( 50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_KILLDISPENSER" );
  game_shared\ff\ff_gamerules.cpp(1856):						pScorer->AddFortPoints( 100, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_KILLSG1" );
  game_shared\ff\ff_gamerules.cpp(1859):						pScorer->AddFortPoints( 150, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_KILLSG2" );
  game_shared\ff\ff_gamerules.cpp(1862):						pScorer->AddFortPoints( 200, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_KILLSG3" );
  game_shared\multiplay_gamerules.cpp(557):				pScorer->AddFortPoints( -50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_TEAMKILL" );
  game_shared\multiplay_gamerules.cpp(560):				pScorer->AddFortPoints( 100, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_FRAG" );
  game_shared\ff\ff_weapon_spanner.cpp(144):				pPlayer->AddFortPoints( ( iArmorGiven*0.5 ), "#FF_FORTPOINTS_GIVEARMOR");
  game_shared\ff\ff_weapon_spanner.cpp(196):						pPlayer->AddFortPoints(iHealthGiven*0.1, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_REPAIRTEAMDISPENSER");
  game_shared\ff\ff_weapon_spanner.cpp(255):							pPlayer->AddFortPoints(100, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_UPGRADETEAMMATESG");
  game_shared\ff\ff_weapon_spanner.cpp(295):						pPlayer->AddFortPoints(cells*0.3, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_REPAIRTEAMMATESG");
  game_shared\ff\ff_gamerules.cpp(1848):					pScorer->AddFortPoints( 50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_KILLDISPENSER" );
  game_shared\ff\ff_gamerules.cpp(1856):						pScorer->AddFortPoints( 100, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_KILLSG1" );
  game_shared\ff\ff_gamerules.cpp(1859):						pScorer->AddFortPoints( 150, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_KILLSG2" );
  game_shared\ff\ff_gamerules.cpp(1862):						pScorer->AddFortPoints( 200, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_KILLSG3" );
  dlls\ff\ff_lualib_player.cpp(67):			.def("AddFortPoints",		&CFFPlayer::AddFortPoints)
  dlls\ff\ff_lualib_team.cpp(49):			.def("AddFortPoints",		&CTeam::AddFortPoints)
  dlls\ff\ff_detpack.cpp(221):	pPlayer->AddFortPoints(100,"#FF_FORTPOINTS_DEFUSEDETPACK");
  dlls\ff\ff_dispenser.cpp(541):	pSaboteur->AddFortPoints(25, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_SABOTAGEDISPENSER");
  dlls\ff\ff_player.cpp(2023):					pTagger->AddFortPoints( 50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_TEAMMATERADIOTAGKILL" );
  dlls\ff\ff_player.cpp(4727):			pCurer->AddFortPoints( 100, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CUREINFECTION" );
  dlls\ff\ff_player.cpp(5365):					pAttacker->AddFortPoints(10,"#FF_FORTPOINTS_RADIOTAG");
  dlls\ff\ff_player.cpp(6188):	pHealer->AddFortPoints( ( (m_iHealth - iOriginalHP) * 0.5 ), "#FF_FORTPOINTS_GIVEHEALTH");
  dlls\ff\ff_player.cpp(7063):			AddFortPoints(30, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_UNDISGUISESPY");
  dlls\ff\ff_player.cpp(7095):				AddFortPoints( 30, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_UNCLOAKSPY" );
  dlls\ff\ff_sentrygun.cpp(1848):	pSaboteur->AddFortPoints(100, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_SABOTAGESG");

Here's all instances of AddFortPoints in the various default Lua's (filenames not included because I'm lazy and Sublime Text doesn't have very copy+pasteable find results):

  258  		player_attacker:AddFortPoints( FORT_POINTS_PER_DEFEND, "Defending the Point" ) 
  258  		player_attacker:AddFortPoints( FORT_POINTS_PER_DEFEND, "Defending the Point" ) 
   37: 			player:AddFortPoints(points * 100, "Destroyed Computer" )
  404: 	player:AddFortPoints(500, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREPOINT")
  270: 				player_attacker:AddFortPoints( FORT_POINTS_PER_DEFEND, "Defending the Zone" ) 
  279: 					player_attacker:AddFortPoints( FORT_POINTS_PER_DEFEND * 2, "Denying Attacker from Scoring" ) 
  281: 					player_attacker:AddFortPoints( FORT_POINTS_PER_DEFEND / 2, "Defending the Zone Area" )
  338: 				player_attacker:AddFortPoints( damage, "Protecting the Zone" ) 
  347: 				player_attacker:AddFortPoints( damage, "Protecting the Zone Area" ) 
  390: 			player:AddFortPoints( FORT_POINTS_PER_INITIAL_TOUCH, "Initial Point Touch" ) 
  697:         player:AddFortPoints( FORT_POINTS_PER_PERIOD, "Touching the Point" ) 
  714: 			player:AddFortPoints( FORT_POINTS_PER_PERIOD, "Touching the Point" ) 
  381: 			player_attacker:AddFortPoints((player_victim_touching_cp.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREPOINT_ASSIST")
  387: 			player_attacker:AddFortPoints((player_victim_touching_cp.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_DEFENDPOINT")
  400: 			player_attacker:AddFortPoints((player_attacker_touching_cp.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_DEFENDPOINT")
  406: 			player_attacker:AddFortPoints((player_attacker_touching_cp.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREPOINT_ASSIST")
  427: 					player_attacker:AddFortPoints((v.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 25, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREPOINT_ASSIST")
  433: 					player_attacker:AddFortPoints((v.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 25, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_DEFENDPOINT_ASSIST")
  453: 					player_attacker:AddFortPoints((v.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 25, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_DEFENDPOINT_ASSIST")
  459: 					player_attacker:AddFortPoints((v.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 25, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREPOINT_ASSIST")
  681: 			i:AddFortPoints((cp.point_value[team_number]) * 100, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREPOINT")
  685: 			i:AddFortPoints((cp.point_value[team_number]) * 50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_DEFENDPOINT")
  694: 			i:AddFortPoints((cp.point_value[team_number]) * 50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREPOINT_ASSIST")
  697: 			i:AddFortPoints((cp.point_value[team_number]) * 25, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_DEFENDPOINT_ASSIST")
 1061: 		player:AddFortPoints((cp.point_value[player:GetTeamId()]) * 100, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREPOINT")
 1340: 		player:AddFortPoints(points * 100, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_DESTROY_CC" )
  437: 			player_attacker:AddFortPoints((player_victim_touching_cp.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREPOINT_ASSIST")
  443: 			player_attacker:AddFortPoints((player_victim_touching_cp.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_DEFENDPOINT")
  456: 			player_attacker:AddFortPoints((player_attacker_touching_cp.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_DEFENDPOINT")
  462: 			player_attacker:AddFortPoints((player_attacker_touching_cp.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREPOINT_ASSIST")
  483: 					player_attacker:AddFortPoints((v.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 25, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREPOINT_ASSIST")
  489: 					player_attacker:AddFortPoints((v.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 25, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_DEFENDPOINT_ASSIST")
  509: 					player_attacker:AddFortPoints((v.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 25, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_DEFENDPOINT_ASSIST")
  515: 					player_attacker:AddFortPoints((v.point_value[player_attacker:GetTeamId()]) * 25, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREPOINT_ASSIST")
  790: 			i:AddFortPoints((cp.point_value[team_number]) * 100, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREPOINT")
  794: 			i:AddFortPoints((cp.point_value[team_number]) * 50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_DEFENDPOINT")
  803: 			i:AddFortPoints((cp.point_value[team_number]) * 50, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREPOINT_ASSIST")
  806: 			i:AddFortPoints((cp.point_value[team_number]) * 25, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_DEFENDPOINT_ASSIST")
 1172: 		player:AddFortPoints((cp.point_value[player:GetTeamId()]) * 100, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREPOINT")
 1451: 		player:AddFortPoints(points * 100, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_DESTROY_CC" )
  243: 			attacker:AddFortPoints( POINTS_PER_GOALIE_ATTACK, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_GOALIE_ATTACK" )
  337: 			if self.status == 0 then player:AddFortPoints(POINTS_PER_INITIALTOUCH, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_INITIALTOUCH") end
  357: 					player:AddFortPoints( POINTS_PER_GOALIE_RETURN, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_GOALIE_RETURN" )
  562: 				player:AddFortPoints( POINTS_PER_CAPTURE * 100, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_GOAL" )
  570: 				player:AddFortPoints( -POINTS_PER_CAPTURE * 100, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_OWN_GOAL" )
  221: 				attacker:AddFortPoints( POINTS_PER_HUNTED_ATTACK * 10, "Hunted Attack" )
  397: 			player:AddFortPoints( POINTS_PER_HUNTED_ESCAPE_FOR_HUNTED * 10, "Hunted Escape" )
   93: 					player:AddFortPoints(FORTPOINTS_PER_CAPTURE, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREFLAG")
   93: 					player:AddFortPoints(FORTPOINTS_PER_CAPTURE, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREFLAG")
  258: 		player_attacker:AddFortPoints( FORT_POINTS_PER_DEFEND, "Defending the Point" ) 
  325: 		player_attacker:AddFortPoints( damage, "Protecting the Point" ) 
  629: 			player:AddFortPoints( FORT_POINTS_PER_INITIAL_TOUCH, "Initial Point Touch" ) 
  704: 	         player:AddFortPoints( FORT_POINTS_PER_PERIOD, "Touching the Point" ) 
  301: 			player:AddFortPoints(FORTPOINTS_PER_CAPTURE, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_GOAL")
  431: 					player:AddFortPoints(fortpoints, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_CAPTUREFLAG")
  589: 		if self.status == 0 then player:AddFortPoints(FORTPOINTS_PER_INITIALTOUCH, "#FF_FORTPOINTS_INITIALTOUCH") end
  386: 		player:AddFortPoints(1, "Test")
  258: 		player_attacker:AddFortPoints( FORT_POINTS_PER_DEFEND, "Defending the Point" ) 
  325: 		player_attacker:AddFortPoints( damage, "Protecting the Point" ) 
  629: 			player:AddFortPoints( FORT_POINTS_PER_INITIAL_TOUCH, "Initial Point Touch" ) 
  704: 	         player:AddFortPoints( FORT_POINTS_PER_PERIOD, "Touching the Point" )