Scout! Where's the incentive?

[wakka]

Originally Posted by Crazycarl

How can all classes become easier? One class counters the other. So if it's easier to play engy, it's harder to play scout.

What are you talking about, every class is easier to play in FF because of things like autojump, seeing where your shots actually go when conced, splash damage radius, not having to press crouch when ramp sliding.

so yes all the classes are easier and no, one class does not counter the other. A sentry gun does nothing to a scout in FF and every team is completely reliant on an exceptionally good demoman and one of the reasons being because in FF every scout will rampslide perfectly every single time.

[Raynian]

Back to the original point of this thread...

How about increasing the base movement speed of the scout by 20 units, without changing the bhop cap. It'd make scout better for newbies without drastically changing the effect in competitive play.

And remove the jump pad, bring back caltrops.

[chilledsanity]

Originally Posted by Raynian

[B]And remove the jump pad, bring back caltrops.

Whoa whoa whoa... you're talking about balancing the game there Hoss, easy now.

[Crazycarl]

Originally Posted by wakka

What are you talking about, every class is easier to play in FF because of things like autojump, seeing where your shots actually go when conced, splash damage radius, not having to press crouch when ramp sliding.

so yes all the classes are easier and no, one class does not counter the other. A sentry gun does nothing to a scout in FF and every team is completely reliant on an exceptionally good demoman and one of the reasons being because in FF every scout will rampslide perfectly every single time.

That means the game is easier to play, which is never a bad thing.

If it's too hard to stop scouts, that means other classes need to get better abilities for stopping scouts. It does not mean that we need to leave in meaningless technical hurdles for basic actions like moving around.

Originally Posted by zelenjava

When you conc and land in TFC, if you try to bhop you cant because you are going over the speed limit. However if your timing was good you could delay the first jump so that you glide a little then go straight into full speed bunnyhop. Jumping as soon as you hit the ground after each hop meant you couldnt glide at all. So i guess what i'm saying is in bunnyhop on tfc you could glide just that little bit before the next jump if your timing was good to give you that extra bit of speed overall.

Oh, alright. I was not aware of that technique. I didn't bhop much in my TFC days, and I didn't play much after the cap was put in place either.

I've lost the point to this discussion, but I'd like to conclude that this type of invisible physics exploit, while skillful, is not something I want in FF. Every skill or action taken by a player should be at least noticeable by a newbie, even if they don't know how to do it at first.

[wakka]

Originally Posted by Crazycarl

That means the game is easier to play, which is never a bad thing.

yes the game is easier to play because the classes are easier to play.

[GenghisTron]

I don't think the game is 'easier' (Hint: It's not), it's more accessible while still maintaining a reasonable level of skill requirement.

[wakka]

Originally Posted by GenghisTron

I don't think the game is 'easier' (Hint: It's not), it's more accessible while still maintaining a reasonable level of skill requirement.

Actually I do agree with you, FF is alot faster and harder in my opinion but yes the classes are easier to play overall

[chilledsanity]

Originally Posted by Crazycarl

If it's too hard to stop scouts, that means other classes need to get better abilities for stopping scouts. It does not mean that we need to leave in meaningless technical hurdles for basic actions like moving around.

Couldn't agree more, but I really doubt that will happen.

[CHURCHMOUTH]

wakka i think u need to get off your high horse.