Trickjumpers for beta testers. - Page 5

Dospac · 02-23-2007, 09:30 PM

Nothing is finalized yet, and there are at least two other elements we're going to introduce and test in the jump/speed/bhop area.

The reason it is different is, for example a 120% soft cap in FF equates to roughly 130-140% average speed when bhopping normally on an even surface. Remember there is no hard cap and 110% penalty so on average, 140% in FF isn't as far from TFC as you might think. Depending on how other variables are setup, this is the case at any rate.

Now, this still doesn't tell the entire story if we're comparing the speed of the game to TFC. In FF you can keep a significant amount of speed above the soft cap % over several jumps, given a strong enough initial impulse(off a conc or explosion etc).

In balancing all this, we're aiming to reduce the advantage that straight forward bhopping gives to players and their move speed. It should be obvious that moving off of an explosion gives the player a boost of speed for a brief period. The de facto advantage that players get from bhop will be reduced from TFC in order to better balance the learning curve and these new gameplay elements.

We're likely going to keep a small move speed increase across all classes as well. It seems to work ok at 5% over TFC speeds, which is what is currently in place in the beta.

o_mrmojo · 02-23-2007, 09:37 PM

that sounds great, thanks for explaining it

o_tu! · 02-23-2007, 09:58 PM

omg so you will no longer be able go from base speed to 150% in 1 or 2 leaps...? i hope i am reading something wrong because that would suck BIG TIME.

o_ekim · 02-24-2007, 01:23 AM

Played it, have you?

o_tu! · 02-24-2007, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ekiM

Played it, have you?

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Originally Posted by tu!

omg so you will no longer be able go from base speed to 150% in 1 or 2 leaps...? i hope i am reading something wrong because that would suck BIG TIME.

okay.

o_psycnet · 02-24-2007, 04:39 AM

Remember:

Here at Fortress Forever Forums we really care about tu!'s opinion.

Please drive safely.

o_ekim · 02-24-2007, 05:29 PM

If you're really that fucking dense, I was questioning the "THAT WOULD SUCK" bit. How do you know that without playing the mod?

**mervaka** · 02-24-2007, 08:24 PM

because he's madame tu! the psychic. he has this utopic idea that FF will cater his every whim, and 2fort will be his garden of eden.

o_qui · 02-24-2007, 09:36 PM

I TODL YOU GUYS FF WOULDNT BE RELEASED!!1

Dospac · 02-24-2007, 09:55 PM

The air acceleration and friction constants from TFC are the same(or very close to the same) in FF. You still gain a roughly equal amount of speed with one glide jump(or any other accelerating jump less efficient than a well executed glide) compared to TFC. You just won't keep that speed if you cease to glide/bhop and continue with regular jumps, if you're over the soft cap.

o_tu! · 02-24-2007, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dospac

The air acceleration and friction constants from TFC are the same(or very close to the same) in FF. You still gain a roughly equal amount of speed with one glide jump(or any other accelerating jump less efficient than a well executed glide) compared to TFC. You just won't keep that speed if you cease to glide/bhop and continue with regular jumps, if you're over the soft cap.

thanks that answer my question good.

p.s. to the dipshits jumping on me for asking a legit question...fuck off, thanks.

o_sta_sirtiger · 02-24-2007, 10:20 PM

Now now tu!, you know better than that. Please take a seat and calm down.

Circuitous · 02-24-2007, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dospac

The air acceleration and friction constants from TFC are the same(or very close to the same) in FF. You still gain a roughly equal amount of speed with one glide jump(or any other accelerating jump less efficient than a well executed glide) compared to TFC. You just won't keep that speed if you cease to glide/bhop and continue with regular jumps, if you're over the soft cap.

So basically, to keep high-end speed, you HAVE to keep curving, and if you go to straight jumping you reduce to ~140%?

Dospac · 02-25-2007, 01:41 AM

Nothing is set in stone at all now. The limits currently setup in the beta are closer to 110%. It's an ongoing process that hopefully will.. become more finalized soon after further changes and testing.

Lost · 03-06-2007, 01:58 PM

j00 all r nubz.

nodnarb · 03-07-2007, 12:54 AM

you are a 1337 nub

s0undch4s3r · 03-07-2007, 09:30 PM

trick jumping is fine and dandy and will get you far....but...it's the damn Spy you gotta watch out for....omg00gles the spy will be most powerful.
FEAR the spy!!

02-24-2007, 08:24 PM	#88
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03-06-2007, 01:58 PM	#95
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02-23-2007, 09:30 PM	#81
Dospac Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Nothing is finalized yet, and there are at least two other elements we're going to introduce and test in the jump/speed/bhop area. The reason it is different is, for example a 120% soft cap in FF equates to roughly 130-140% average speed when bhopping normally on an even surface. Remember there is no hard cap and 110% penalty so on average, 140% in FF isn't as far from TFC as you might think. Depending on how other variables are setup, this is the case at any rate. Now, this still doesn't tell the entire story if we're comparing the speed of the game to TFC. In FF you can keep a significant amount of speed above the soft cap % over several jumps, given a strong enough initial impulse(off a conc or explosion etc). In balancing all this, we're aiming to reduce the advantage that straight forward bhopping gives to players and their move speed. It should be obvious that moving off of an explosion gives the player a boost of speed for a brief period. The de facto advantage that players get from bhop will be reduced from TFC in order to better balance the learning curve and these new gameplay elements. We're likely going to keep a small move speed increase across all classes as well. It seems to work ok at 5% over TFC speeds, which is what is currently in place in the beta.

02-23-2007, 09:37 PM	#82
o_mrmojo Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	that sounds great, thanks for explaining it

02-23-2007, 09:58 PM	#83
o_tu! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	omg so you will no longer be able go from base speed to 150% in 1 or 2 leaps...? i hope i am reading something wrong because that would suck BIG TIME.

02-24-2007, 01:23 AM	#84
o_ekim Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bristol UK Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	Played it, have you?

02-24-2007, 04:39 AM	#86
o_psycnet Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Calgary, Canada eh? Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Remember: Here at Fortress Forever Forums we really care about tu!'s opinion. Please drive safely.

02-24-2007, 05:29 PM	#87
o_ekim Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bristol UK Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	If you're really that fucking dense, I was questioning the "THAT WOULD SUCK" bit. How do you know that without playing the mod?

02-24-2007, 09:36 PM	#89
o_qui Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bournemouth, England Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I TODL YOU GUYS FF WOULDNT BE RELEASED!!1

02-24-2007, 09:55 PM	#90
Dospac Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The air acceleration and friction constants from TFC are the same(or very close to the same) in FF. You still gain a roughly equal amount of speed with one glide jump(or any other accelerating jump less efficient than a well executed glide) compared to TFC. You just won't keep that speed if you cease to glide/bhop and continue with regular jumps, if you're over the soft cap.

02-24-2007, 10:20 PM	#92
o_sta_sirtiger Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas, THE USA!!! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Now now tu!, you know better than that. Please take a seat and calm down.

02-25-2007, 01:41 AM	#94
Dospac Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Nothing is set in stone at all now. The limits currently setup in the beta are closer to 110%. It's an ongoing process that hopefully will.. become more finalized soon after further changes and testing.

03-07-2007, 12:54 AM	#96
nodnarb Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	you are a 1337 nub

03-07-2007, 09:30 PM	#97
s0undch4s3r The guy you love to hate. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Under your bed Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	trick jumping is fine and dandy and will get you far....but...it's the damn Spy you gotta watch out for....omg00gles the spy will be most powerful. FEAR the spy!!

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