04-25-2008, 10:09 AM | #8021 | |
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04-25-2008, 10:48 AM | #8022 |
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Locked, clean up and cleansing taking place.
Be right back. Edit: Reopened minus the offtopic flaming and unneeded abusing of others. If you don't like someones server, whine on their forums not ours. Doompiggy banned for 2 days for ignoring my advice of dropping the attitude, many other people are lucky they arn't following him. Drop the attitude, drop the attacking other peoples servers, if you don't like the way they run their server find another or make your own. Re-opened. Last edited by Ginger Lord; 04-25-2008 at 10:56 AM. |
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04-25-2008, 01:17 PM | #8023 |
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the way i see it there are 3 issues atm:
1. general game balance tweaking/development (e.g. hw/mancannon/sgs/etc/etc/blah). this is all known about and will be patched in due course, so isn't anything to worry about in the longterm. 2. kick-ass player animations and training/help modes. we need to attract/retain potential players who haven't been playing TFC hardcore for 10 years, and the vast majority of those ppl are severely put off by two things atm: a) the way FF looks; b) the fact that they don't always know what they should be trying to do and how they should best try to do it (i.e. they don't know how to learn class skills such as concing/etc), and so they completely miss out on what makes FF's gameplay great). the latter can be solved by training/help modes, and so we are left with FF's look... imo the player animations are by far the single biggest factor regarding the rather uninspiring and lame look of the game (the models themselves are actually pretty decent in stills [they just look mega cr4p and dull in motion], and the community can obviously determine their prefered look for future maps themselves - so that's np). FF has so much chaos and ppl flying around at high speeds that it's a great opportunity to make the game look awesome solely by having great player animations. 3. this may sound weird, but i don't play FF atm simply because nobody else does. i really want to clan in it, but the lack of activity and competition just means there's no point atm. i know that this view is shared by quite a lot of ex TFC would-be-FF-clanners in europe, and it's a really silly situation lol. imo the solution is to work from the other end: if we can fix point number 2 above (make the game attract/retain new players) then new player numbers will rise, clan activity/competition will increase, and i recon a lot of currently inactive would-be-FF-clanners would then suddenly come out of the woodwork this one isn't really a problem that needs a direct solution in the sense that #1 and #2 are, but i think it's extremely important for ppl to understand this when thinking about the future of FF. so in summary, #1 will be solved in due course, #3 will be solved by #2, and so we are left with #2... if anyone thinks they (or anyone they know, like maybe batman) can help with #2 then pls get in touch! |
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04-25-2008, 02:55 PM | #8024 |
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you forgot number 4. Which is scantily clad women.
FF needs more of this: and less of this: and maybe controls where you could play the game with only one hand... |
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04-25-2008, 03:12 PM | #8025 | |
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04-25-2008, 04:00 PM | #8026 | |
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04-25-2008, 04:28 PM | #8027 |
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People dont like this game because the server admins suck, all inclusive. Because people bitch you out if you dont know what your doing. The game isnt leading enough to show you how to play properly. There is no straight set rule to play the game, hence deathmatching in the yard. You need to visually show the player what the fuck to do, because we all know the average newb is a moron when it comes to FF.
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04-25-2008, 05:09 PM | #8028 | |
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You'll still have the law of gravitation where tf2 keeps sucking up more of the TF fans compared to the small FF planet. I agree FF needs to be as good as it can to keep the ppl we attract (training map etc), but we still need to attract them or peak their interest enough to give it a go. Once you reached enough ppl that give it a go and stick around cause the game is good and you trained them all the moves, you'll have a big enough "planet" to attract more ppl on its own and we're good. We had this opportunity in september but too many problems existed to keep ppl. As for us clanners i really don't understand what's so gamebreaking to not have more matches. We still play sometimes and i never get the feeling of "yeah, thats why other clans dont wanna play" |
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04-25-2008, 06:50 PM | #8030 |
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I played FF for the first 3 months then gave up tbh . I found the maps very poor for decent play. No 2Fort , fucking terrible Well , confusing monkey , half maps etc.
Aardvark was decent and SD2 was fun but it was difficult finding them on rotations enough to keep any interest in the mod. I did have the occasional crashs and some of the bugs were a bit annoying but they didnt bother me too much. Lack of decent gameplay was what killed it for me rather than any of these issues. |
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04-25-2008, 07:26 PM | #8031 | |
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04-25-2008, 07:44 PM | #8032 | |
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Well :- Constant conc point spam into spawns 2 exit flag options , water or throught the fd spam Buildable hidden wall sgs (iirc this was fixed ?) I liked the redesign of the ramp room and flagroom but apart from that i thought it sucked. No fluidity at all. I understand why it was changed for the clan game but i think those changes ruined it as a decent pub map. It has nothing on TFC Well Monkey : Red/Green team choice was pretty silly imo , especially with the amount of green background and the colour blindness thing Overall SD2 was the best map although Aardvark was close , it did suffer slightly on pubs due to the easy spammed conc ramp/spawn and the overuse of snipers. A well timed conc/speed ramp/flag steal move was great if you could get by the 6 sgs |
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04-25-2008, 08:04 PM | #8035 | |
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[Before you mention it , I don't like easy games for offy , i do prefer playing against good defs where i need to play well to cap or even touch the flag but spam wins best on FF Well] The fixing of the other 2 points is good and I may one day try it again but it just doesnt hold my interest when the maps I enjoyed most are , to me , not conducive to good public play. |
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04-25-2008, 10:35 PM | #8037 | |
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04-25-2008, 11:15 PM | #8038 |
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I'd also like to know what server all this noob bashing is going on in. There's like 2 populated servers, on average, every night.....so odds are if it were happening, I would see it......which I never do. I only yell out for people to cap the flag, because I'm waiting for it.
If were on the subject of catering to new players, Well is like the perfect map for them.....I don't see any major flaws in that map. In fact, I really miss the 24/7 Well server......can't remember the name. On the other hand, you can say that Aardvark is a really good map.....which it is.....but it's not a noob friendly map at all. You can't even DM in the yard very well, due to the hail of sniper fire. You want to help this game....get 2fort in the next patch and get FF mentioned in one of those Steam news updates.
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04-25-2008, 11:19 PM | #8039 |
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And for my contribution to this thread "bla bla bla" read all the other ff is dead threads and you come up with all the same shit.
People play in spurts and until we get some "Good Promo/advertisement" the player base will stay small, Just us hardcore FF'rs that play on a regular basis. Just by watching my fast DL bandwidth I can see that new players are coming in all the time. If there wasn't it would stop using the amount of bandwidth it currently is. So people are DL the game and trying it some stay some don't But with out a major PR campaign like TF2 had FF player base will stay small. Are there issues with FF? yes Are they fixable? yes Is all this FF is dead thread going to help? no Do the Dev's do a damn good job making FF patch's in their spare time? Fuck Yes. If any of you can do a better job put up or shut the fuck up.
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04-26-2008, 02:09 AM | #8040 |
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if you read the OP's post he says that he made this for conversation and just to let out his opinion. This is a forum isn't it? Also I don't remember him saying that this thread will cure the problem or even help.
No reason to be hostile and negative 82694. Want a hug? |
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