1.5 Billion Dollar Judgement Against Microsoft over MP3 dispute

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 02-23-2007, 05:10 PM

Holy Pocket Change Batman

Wow, I wasn't even aware there was a dispute in the works on this. Seems a bit ironic that they're "working so hard" to implement DRM in Vista and get slapped with a huge penalty over infringing on someone else properties rights....wow...

o_uber · 02-23-2007, 05:13 PM

Hmmm, 1/33 of Gate's wealth. No biggy.

o_sta_sirtiger · 02-23-2007, 06:35 PM

That's pretty funny.

o_heed · 02-23-2007, 07:31 PM

That's just a drop i the bucket compared the MS's corporate income, especially with the release of Vista.

I really don't think that Lucent will go after other companies, they are already milking the big one.

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 02-23-2007, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heed

That's just a drop i the bucket compared the MS's corporate income, especially with the release of Vista.

I really don't think that Lucent will go after other companies, they are already milking the big one.

Perhaps not. A few years ago it was Novell threatening to sue the Linux world at large over the allegations that their IP's were infringed upon with certain lines of code being incorporated into the kernel....holy crap...can you imagine being a judge in that case? Or, worse, on the jury?

o_soundchaser · 02-23-2007, 10:33 PM

M$ could have payed out more if all those illegal copies of windows were legit.
a large amount of illegal copies resides in China. and they have over 2 billion peeps.

o_uber · 02-23-2007, 10:58 PM

Not even close to 2 billion.

o_darknight · 02-24-2007, 01:59 AM

Like 2/3s of 2 billion. Not *that* far away.

o_uber · 02-24-2007, 02:06 AM

Maybe if you change 2/3, which doesn't look like much, to 700,000,000, which is more than twice the U.S. population, then it is not even close to over 2 billion.

o_skull · 02-24-2007, 02:22 AM

The exact price is $1.520.000.000,00
Or so I've heard.
Well, that's still a hell lot of money. No matter what company we're talking about.

o_agret · 02-24-2007, 11:49 AM

It sucks that MP3 isn't an open format like OGG. Oh well, bad luck for Microsoft. Hope that Microsoft wins this one.

o_|404|innoc-tpf- · 02-24-2007, 03:00 PM

Microsoft actually has some history with taking things they're not entitled to and trying to do an end run around the owner. One thing is certain and that this issue will be in the courts for years to come.

Man, can you imagine being on that jury? That had to be some dry material to go over...

o_toughsox · 02-25-2007, 03:55 AM

Somehow, if MS does pay it out, chances are their accountants will have it posted as a business expense. Thus, no real effect on them at all.

o_sta_sirtiger · 02-25-2007, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uBeR

Maybe if you change 2/3, which doesn't look like much, to 700,000,000, which is more than twice the U.S. population, then it is not even close to over 2 billion.

Great observation mate, you really kicked them to the ground.

allisvoid · 03-06-2007, 03:56 PM

speaking of [vista] ... i've been pondering making the switch to vista... anyone have it? worth it? opinions?

BinaryLife · 03-06-2007, 06:27 PM

That's totally crazy, I didn't know that there was a patent dispute on mp3's.

I guess apple's "mp4" technology saved them some serious negative attention.

Innoc · 03-06-2007, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BinaryLife

That's totally crazy, I didn't know that there was a patent dispute on mp3's.

I guess apple's "mp4" technology saved them some serious negative attention.

Nearly any good and new idea is going to be driven by someone's patent. I do not think that Apple is out of the woods as I believe that mp3 is a derivative format of mp3.

allisvoid · 03-06-2007, 06:38 PM

i personally hate apple. i hate that if you own an ipod it is a pain in the ass to use and you have to use iTunes. i hate that if you buy stuff off iTunes you have to burn it to a cd then rip it if you want to play it in winamp. why can't you just drag and drop mp3s to your mp3 player and play them? does the zune work this way? or do you have to have windows media player? if i am not mistaken, apples ipod is the only mp3 player that requires certain software in order to load songs onto the thing.

also, why does apple have to bash pc? pc does not bash apple. those mac commercials make me hot and bothered...

BinaryLife · 03-06-2007, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innoc

Nearly any good and new idea is going to be driven by someone's patent. I do not think that Apple is out of the woods as I believe that mp3 is a derivative format of mp3.

Haha, I think it is too. I was trying to be festecious(sp)

I don't exactly like Apple either, nor do I like thier new campeign add.

PHISH · 03-06-2007, 06:45 PM

This is pretty messed up because Microsoft, (and many other major companies) have licensced the mp3 tech from Fraunhofer..who apparently co developed it with lucent. There's something wrong when you fork over ~16 million for a license to use the tech and then get sued for infringing on a patent. If Fraunhofer is selling illegitimate licenses shouldn't they be the one that's sued?

Also heard some crap about Lucent back dating one of their patents through some loophole so that it pre-dated a joint patent w/ Fraunhofer...can't verify that though.

02-23-2007, 05:10 PM	#1
o_\|404\|innoc-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Midtown Express Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	1.5 Billion Dollar Judgement Against Microsoft over MP3 dispute Holy Pocket Change Batman Wow, I wasn't even aware there was a dispute in the works on this. Seems a bit ironic that they're "working so hard" to implement DRM in Vista and get slapped with a huge penalty over infringing on someone else properties rights....wow...

02-23-2007, 05:13 PM	#2
o_uber Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Hmmm, 1/33 of Gate's wealth. No biggy.

02-23-2007, 06:35 PM	#3
o_sta_sirtiger Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas, THE USA!!! Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That's pretty funny.

02-23-2007, 07:31 PM	#4
o_heed Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That's just a drop i the bucket compared the MS's corporate income, especially with the release of Vista. I really don't think that Lucent will go after other companies, they are already milking the big one.

02-23-2007, 10:33 PM	#6
o_soundchaser Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cow Hampshire USA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	M$ could have payed out more if all those illegal copies of windows were legit. a large amount of illegal copies resides in China. and they have over 2 billion peeps.

02-23-2007, 10:58 PM	#7
o_uber Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Not even close to 2 billion.

02-24-2007, 01:59 AM	#8
o_darknight Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Yorkshire Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Like 2/3s of 2 billion. Not that far away.

02-24-2007, 02:06 AM	#9
o_uber Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Maybe if you change 2/3, which doesn't look like much, to 700,000,000, which is more than twice the U.S. population, then it is not even close to over 2 billion.

02-24-2007, 02:22 AM	#10
o_skull Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	The exact price is $1.520.000.000,00 Or so I've heard. Well, that's still a hell lot of money. No matter what company we're talking about.

02-24-2007, 11:49 AM	#11
o_agret Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It sucks that MP3 isn't an open format like OGG. Oh well, bad luck for Microsoft. Hope that Microsoft wins this one.

02-24-2007, 03:00 PM	#12
o_\|404\|innoc-tpf- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Midtown Express Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Microsoft actually has some history with taking things they're not entitled to and trying to do an end run around the owner. One thing is certain and that this issue will be in the courts for years to come. Man, can you imagine being on that jury? That had to be some dry material to go over...

02-25-2007, 03:55 AM	#13
o_toughsox Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Somehow, if MS does pay it out, chances are their accountants will have it posted as a business expense. Thus, no real effect on them at all.

03-06-2007, 03:56 PM	#15
allisvoid what is tfc? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: houston tx Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	speaking of [vista] ... i've been pondering making the switch to vista... anyone have it? worth it? opinions?

03-06-2007, 06:27 PM	#16
BinaryLife Posts: 1 bajillion D&A Member Wiki Team Join Date: Mar 2007 Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	That's totally crazy, I didn't know that there was a patent dispute on mp3's. I guess apple's "mp4" technology saved them some serious negative attention.

03-06-2007, 06:38 PM	#18
allisvoid what is tfc? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: houston tx Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	i personally hate apple. i hate that if you own an ipod it is a pain in the ass to use and you have to use iTunes. i hate that if you buy stuff off iTunes you have to burn it to a cd then rip it if you want to play it in winamp. why can't you just drag and drop mp3s to your mp3 player and play them? does the zune work this way? or do you have to have windows media player? if i am not mistaken, apples ipod is the only mp3 player that requires certain software in order to load songs onto the thing. also, why does apple have to bash pc? pc does not bash apple. those mac commercials make me hot and bothered...

03-06-2007, 06:45 PM	#20
PHISH Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: cow college Posts Rated Helpful 13 Times	This is pretty messed up because Microsoft, (and many other major companies) have licensced the mp3 tech from Fraunhofer..who apparently co developed it with lucent. There's something wrong when you fork over ~16 million for a license to use the tech and then get sued for infringing on a patent. If Fraunhofer is selling illegitimate licenses shouldn't they be the one that's sued? Also heard some crap about Lucent back dating one of their patents through some loophole so that it pre-dated a joint patent w/ Fraunhofer...can't verify that though.

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