Updated: Project started, 2 early progress pics

o_osiris · 03-15-2005, 05:01 PM

howdy, I used to be a TFC mapper way back, like a year or two ago but I stopped due to the inability of the Half-Life engine to support the level of details I like to include in my maps. The source engine has rekindled my love for mapping but I still havent really gotten back into it all... until now, something about this mod just tickles my pickle. So to start things off, Im going to need a few suggestions on some maps I could remake for the new engine for a little practice until I can get some of my long-lost creativity back and design my own maps again.

What do you guys think about Rock2? Badlands is also a nice map. What do you guys think I should remake?

o_headz · 03-15-2005, 05:36 PM

I dont think there are many valve maps left to remake, but have a go at new level design, just start doodleing on paper or in hammer and you should get a design fairly quickly

o_osiris · 03-15-2005, 05:57 PM

im not necessarily talking a valve map, just something reasonably popular that you might like to see revamped. If you can think of none, how about some suggestions for a map play-style you might like to see? Dustbowl:Source anyone?

EDIT: Just saw the other thread listing all in-production maps

Guess something original is my only real option eh?

o_voipme · 03-15-2005, 06:05 PM

Ravelin. A remake of that might be welcome.

o_zsleek7 · 03-15-2005, 07:01 PM

I remember when CJ2 was an extremely fun (and popular) pub map. Maybe you could make a renewed ADL style CJ2 map with multiple attack/defend phases (maybe the original version be the first phase), it had a lot of great features to it.

I also recently started mapping and have one really interesting CTF design, but my skill level is far below what the potential that the map could be. If you want I could send you what I have, as I know I will not make it complete for a very long time!

o_elvis2049 · 03-15-2005, 08:01 PM

how about warpath ??

o_osiris · 03-15-2005, 09:01 PM

Warpath is a good idea for a map, Ravelin seems to be a map where creativity could be used to the extreme. Maybe one I'll tackle at a later time but for now Im going to stick with something a little simpler. I'll take some screenshots for Warpath when I get home from school and see what I can come up with in terms of changes and the sort.

o_soulcutter · 03-15-2005, 09:25 PM

Sa_metal. Sa_metal. Sa_metal.

o_osiris · 03-16-2005, 05:23 AM

I looked around a bit on Warpath but decided against it due to the fact that Im not quite as skilled at making rocky walls as I wish I was (look at the screenshots from the map Uno). Im going with an underground, bunker to bunker style map.
Visual Style: Clean
Gametype: Modified Rock2

Capturing the "flag" will result in a light's out for the enemy team... literally, regular lighting in their base will be shut down leaving total darkness for approx 5 seconds before emergency lighting (dark red) kicks in and the main doors seal the base down, no one in, no one out. As in rock2, a gas will be released killing anyone not in a safe-room, of which there will only be two, maybe 3 per base (Screw the god-mode suits I say!) After all is said and done, the doors open up and the regular lighting comes on. Depending on how it all comes together, Im also thinking of adding a few combine monitors into the capture room that will be activated during this whole sequence to view camera's located in the enemy base and watch it all go down. Almost like sitting back and cracking open a nice cold beer to watch a nuke go off on the country you're at war with

No pictures as of yet, (Im not a fan of out-of-game preview shots, and I need to sort out a few compiling errors before I can test-run it.)

o_sobe green · 03-16-2005, 05:56 AM

Check out my Cabah topic. I was going to attempt to do it along with a few other people but most of us just don't have the time. I did leave a zip full of some ideas and things I was throwing around in the topic. I also have a vmf of the entire blue side already mapped but I'd have to get permission to send that to you if your interested.

o_eat · 03-16-2005, 06:05 AM

Hey Osiris. Rocks are damn easy now using the displacement tool so dont be put off from making a rocky map.

Rock2 is going to get an in house development so I would go for Badlands - lots of people voted for it in a poll someone did on the forums entitled "Map not on the maplist you want to see made".

Other suggestions:
shutdown_l
Fortsake2 - but with a few changes to change the huge choke point problem.
Bam

o_osiris · 03-16-2005, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Check out my Cabah topic. I was going to attempt to do it along with a few other people but most of us just don't have the time. I did leave a zip full of some ideas and things I was throwing around in the topic. I also have a vmf of the entire blue side already mapped but I'd have to get permission to send that to you if your interested.

If you wish to send it over I'd be grateful, I usually work on multiple projects at a time so if I run out of ideas on one map I can work on another until I think of something. Helps to keep me working

Quote:

Hey Osiris. Rocks are damn easy now using the displacement tool so dont be put off from making a rocky map.

Rock2 is going to get an in house development so I would go for Badlands - lots of people voted for it in a poll someone did on the forums entitled "Map not on the maplist you want to see made".

Other than the gas, my custom map will have almost no similarites to Rock2. I just might post a hammer screenshot, if you guys want me too that is

EDIT: I almost forgot to mention, Eat, you have by far the best mapping style I've ever seen. I love it! And do you have any pointers for make a 24 sided cylinder curve at something other than a 90degree angle? I've never attempted it before and it's alot harder than I was expecting

o_eat · 03-16-2005, 06:35 AM

Yeh that kind of curved cylinder/pipe is possible. There are a few ways of doing it so I'll ouline some of them.

Use the torus tool (select brush tool and then change the block dropdown to torus). You have to experiment with the dimensions and other variables to get it fit right. For some reason if you make the torus completely solid (not hollow) it fucks up, or at least it did last time I checked. Also Ive noticed they dont compile great and vertices move about. Give it a try because if it works its the simplest method.

The way that will always work is using 4 sided polygons. You need 2 of these 4 sided polygons per face of the cylinder (= lots of 4 sided polygons!). You then use the cylinder tool to make templates for your curved pipe (again, this is a lot of cylinders!). Using vertex manipulation you then drop your 4 sided polygons onto the template. This can be a lot of work depending on how fast you are with vertex manip. The good thing is you only need to make 45 degrees worth of polygons coz you can c&p the rest. Once its all made stick the nodraw texture on everything except the visible faces and make it a func_detail. Sorry if this is a bad explanation Im coming to the end of a 12h night shift. I'll try to put some pictures up explaning this method better but I will be unable to get to a PC that has Hammer for a few weeks.

o_osiris · 03-16-2005, 06:40 AM

no I think I got it. Thanks for the tips.

o_dirkpitt · 03-16-2005, 06:43 AM

ENCLAVE please I beg you I love that map

o_osiris · 03-16-2005, 07:39 AM

May as well. Extremely early progress on the outside area (love the texturing eh?)

The water and sky boxes were both made like that to get rid of the "see them through everything" effect. I'll fix them when the time comes. Dont ask about the wierd designs on the wall, I was just messing around trying to fill the space, I'll probly get rid of those tomorrow

o_dirkpitt · 03-16-2005, 08:30 AM

Looks nice so far, reminds me of a map, hmm name not coming to mind. Looking foward to new screenies.

o_osiris · 03-16-2005, 08:36 AM

I might not be able to get much work done until friday after school seeing as I work today and thursday

o_koochy · 03-16-2005, 09:53 AM

Don't mean to be rude.. but what map are you making? :D

just so i can update the maps in production thread :DDDD

o_dirkpitt · 03-16-2005, 10:32 AM

he's making Enclave after he finishes that map

03-15-2005, 05:01 PM	#1
o_osiris Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In your pants. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Updated: Project started, 2 early progress pics howdy, I used to be a TFC mapper way back, like a year or two ago but I stopped due to the inability of the Half-Life engine to support the level of details I like to include in my maps. The source engine has rekindled my love for mapping but I still havent really gotten back into it all... until now, something about this mod just tickles my pickle. So to start things off, Im going to need a few suggestions on some maps I could remake for the new engine for a little practice until I can get some of my long-lost creativity back and design my own maps again. What do you guys think about Rock2? Badlands is also a nice map. What do you guys think I should remake?

03-15-2005, 05:36 PM	#2
o_headz Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I dont think there are many valve maps left to remake, but have a go at new level design, just start doodleing on paper or in hammer and you should get a design fairly quickly

03-15-2005, 05:57 PM	#3
o_osiris Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In your pants. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	im not necessarily talking a valve map, just something reasonably popular that you might like to see revamped. If you can think of none, how about some suggestions for a map play-style you might like to see? Dustbowl:Source anyone? EDIT: Just saw the other thread listing all in-production maps Guess something original is my only real option eh?

03-15-2005, 06:05 PM	#4
o_voipme Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Work Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Ravelin. A remake of that might be welcome.

03-15-2005, 07:01 PM	#5
o_zsleek7 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Modesto, CA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I remember when CJ2 was an extremely fun (and popular) pub map. Maybe you could make a renewed ADL style CJ2 map with multiple attack/defend phases (maybe the original version be the first phase), it had a lot of great features to it. I also recently started mapping and have one really interesting CTF design, but my skill level is far below what the potential that the map could be. If you want I could send you what I have, as I know I will not make it complete for a very long time!

03-15-2005, 08:01 PM	#6
o_elvis2049 Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	how about warpath ??

03-15-2005, 09:01 PM	#7
o_osiris Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In your pants. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Warpath is a good idea for a map, Ravelin seems to be a map where creativity could be used to the extreme. Maybe one I'll tackle at a later time but for now Im going to stick with something a little simpler. I'll take some screenshots for Warpath when I get home from school and see what I can come up with in terms of changes and the sort.

03-15-2005, 09:25 PM	#8
o_soulcutter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ohio Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Sa_metal. Sa_metal. Sa_metal.

03-16-2005, 05:23 AM	#9
o_osiris Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In your pants. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I looked around a bit on Warpath but decided against it due to the fact that Im not quite as skilled at making rocky walls as I wish I was (look at the screenshots from the map Uno). Im going with an underground, bunker to bunker style map. Visual Style: Clean Gametype: Modified Rock2 Capturing the "flag" will result in a light's out for the enemy team... literally, regular lighting in their base will be shut down leaving total darkness for approx 5 seconds before emergency lighting (dark red) kicks in and the main doors seal the base down, no one in, no one out. As in rock2, a gas will be released killing anyone not in a safe-room, of which there will only be two, maybe 3 per base (Screw the god-mode suits I say!) After all is said and done, the doors open up and the regular lighting comes on. Depending on how it all comes together, Im also thinking of adding a few combine monitors into the capture room that will be activated during this whole sequence to view camera's located in the enemy base and watch it all go down. Almost like sitting back and cracking open a nice cold beer to watch a nuke go off on the country you're at war with No pictures as of yet, (Im not a fan of out-of-game preview shots, and I need to sort out a few compiling errors before I can test-run it.)

03-16-2005, 05:56 AM	#10
o_sobe green Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Arkansas Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Check out my Cabah topic. I was going to attempt to do it along with a few other people but most of us just don't have the time. I did leave a zip full of some ideas and things I was throwing around in the topic. I also have a vmf of the entire blue side already mapped but I'd have to get permission to send that to you if your interested.

03-16-2005, 06:05 AM	#11
o_eat Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Hey Osiris. Rocks are damn easy now using the displacement tool so dont be put off from making a rocky map. Rock2 is going to get an in house development so I would go for Badlands - lots of people voted for it in a poll someone did on the forums entitled "Map not on the maplist you want to see made". Other suggestions: shutdown_l Fortsake2 - but with a few changes to change the huge choke point problem. Bam

03-16-2005, 06:35 AM	#13
o_eat Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Yeh that kind of curved cylinder/pipe is possible. There are a few ways of doing it so I'll ouline some of them. Use the torus tool (select brush tool and then change the block dropdown to torus). You have to experiment with the dimensions and other variables to get it fit right. For some reason if you make the torus completely solid (not hollow) it fucks up, or at least it did last time I checked. Also Ive noticed they dont compile great and vertices move about. Give it a try because if it works its the simplest method. The way that will always work is using 4 sided polygons. You need 2 of these 4 sided polygons per face of the cylinder (= lots of 4 sided polygons!). You then use the cylinder tool to make templates for your curved pipe (again, this is a lot of cylinders!). Using vertex manipulation you then drop your 4 sided polygons onto the template. This can be a lot of work depending on how fast you are with vertex manip. The good thing is you only need to make 45 degrees worth of polygons coz you can c&p the rest. Once its all made stick the nodraw texture on everything except the visible faces and make it a func_detail. Sorry if this is a bad explanation Im coming to the end of a 12h night shift. I'll try to put some pictures up explaning this method better but I will be unable to get to a PC that has Hammer for a few weeks.

03-16-2005, 06:40 AM	#14
o_osiris Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In your pants. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	no I think I got it. Thanks for the tips.

03-16-2005, 06:43 AM	#15
o_dirkpitt Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	ENCLAVE please I beg you I love that map

03-16-2005, 07:39 AM	#16
o_osiris Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In your pants. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	May as well. Extremely early progress on the outside area (love the texturing eh?) The water and sky boxes were both made like that to get rid of the "see them through everything" effect. I'll fix them when the time comes. Dont ask about the wierd designs on the wall, I was just messing around trying to fill the space, I'll probly get rid of those tomorrow

03-16-2005, 08:30 AM	#17
o_dirkpitt Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Looks nice so far, reminds me of a map, hmm name not coming to mind. Looking foward to new screenies.

03-16-2005, 08:36 AM	#18
o_osiris Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In your pants. Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I might not be able to get much work done until friday after school seeing as I work today and thursday

03-16-2005, 09:53 AM	#19
o_koochy Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Don't mean to be rude.. but what map are you making? :D just so i can update the maps in production thread :DDDD

03-16-2005, 10:32 AM	#20
o_dirkpitt Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	he's making Enclave after he finishes that map

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