Audio timers

wolfeh · 09-13-2007, 11:36 PM

The audio timers seem to be out of synch with visual/the actual click itself (the one that idicates that a grenade has been primed) Is there a way to fix this (or work around it, preferably without muting it)
Cheers!

Circuitous · 09-14-2007, 12:02 AM

That's the whole idea, really... the visual timer is lagless, the audio ones aren't.

The audio ones work in general, but on a laggy server you gotta go with the visual.

MrBeefy · 09-14-2007, 12:28 AM

you can also make your own to do what you like, and then add them to:

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..\Steam\SteamApps\SourceMods\FortressForever\soun d\timers

for them to appear in your dropdown list.

raum · 02-04-2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

That's the whole idea, really... the visual timer is lagless, the audio ones aren't.

The audio ones work in general, but on a laggy server you gotta go with the visual.

guys, is this still like this?

if so, is there a workaround to have lagless audio timers?

**Elmo** · 02-04-2013, 08:42 AM

well at the time this was written the visual timers were actually off by 0.2 of a second.. when I played without sound I noticed that and fixed it!

But yeah I think the audio and visual timers are still different. I'll look into it and make a task for myself - I do look at the task list now and again.

raum · 02-04-2013, 09:45 AM

i dont get it. ff allows ppl to do alot of stuff that tfc doesnt (such as pressing and holding to space key to bhop, etc), but wont let you have lagless audio timers? why? ff always had tried to offer more than tfc, but this doesnt really make sense

i now wonder how i managed to cj all the time i've pld ff

**squeek.** · 02-04-2013, 04:58 PM

The audio and visual timers are lagless (purely clientside) as far as I'm aware. The click is not. If the audio/visual tiemrs are out of synch, that's a bug (or an improperly timed nade timer). But I'm pretty sure they both get triggered purely client-side. Elmo would know more.

EDIT: Just checked. The audio and visual timers are played client-side with zero communication with the server.

raum · 02-04-2013, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by squeek.

The audio and visual timers are lagless (purely clientside) as far as I'm aware. The click is not. If the audio/visual tiemrs are out of synch, that's a bug (or an improperly timed nade timer). But I'm pretty sure they both get triggered purely client-side. Elmo would know more.

EDIT: Just checked. The audio and visual timers are played client-side with zero communication with the server.

ty for confirming.

i dont really think it was "an improperly timed nade timer", because i wasnt able to cj properly for once during the whole 15 mins/offy. i should give it another go before uninstalling/reinstalling the game because i was on 150 ping

**Elmo** · 02-04-2013, 09:16 PM

if you get the same conditions can you check to be certain that the visual timer is 'always correct/useful' as you seemed to state. Lag issues are generically a bit hard to test without good amounts of lag.

Not looked into it this evening - still wrapping something up locally before pushing it to beta. Don't want to start on anything else just at the moment.

**Elmo** · 02-05-2013, 09:40 AM

I was tired last night n didn't read squeeks post properly... is there still anything specifically you want me to look into around this?

raum · 02-06-2013, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo

I was tired last night n didn't read squeeks post properly... is there still anything specifically you want me to look into around this?

nope..

tho it'd be fairly nice if it conc timing was the same with TFC (as far as i see, ff concs explode much later than tfc). that way there wouldnt be a confusion for those who play both gamez.. but other than that, nope..

**Elmo** · 02-07-2013, 06:43 AM

When do tfc ones explode cause theyre are set to a very precise value of 3.82 seconds. Can't imagine it was any other reason than it mimicked the tfc explosion...

**squeek.** · 02-07-2013, 08:48 PM

I think he means you have to jump earlier in TFC, which is certianly true. In FF you get max height if you jump at the exact moment the conc explodes, in TFC that's not the case (you need to jump earlier).

I'm not sure why that is (meaning what makes it that way in TFC).

raum · 02-08-2013, 11:15 AM

cant really figure which conc is more accurate, but thats not the confusion or even important anyway. ppl who are used to ff timing are comfortable with ff timings, and ppl who are used to tfc are comfortable with it. it doesnt really matter which timing is the "true" one

i have tried to play ff again after a while, and timings are quite different; which made alotof confusion for me. and since we cannot make changes with tfc(or can we?), maybe we can adopt ff's timings to tfc, so that ppl who play both games dont get fucked up while switching games. would that fuck every ff players game up? (i hope not)

or maybe we can create a custom nade priming sound where it gives you exact tfc timings instead of changing the whole thing for sake of ff-only players, is that possible? and that can be downloaded as an alternate to default ones..

btw ive been talking only about the audio timers, since i dont think anyone uses visual ones while there are a lot going on in screen :P
(im sure visual timers are useful for new players)

KubeDawg · 02-08-2013, 07:48 PM

I absolutely hated the timer in TFC. Coming from a background of playing hundreds of concmaps in TFC over the years, I hated that you couldn't prime a 2nd conc immediately after the first and the timer itself felt off. When FF was released, I was like OH THANK GOD they've addressed this and fell in love with concing in FF because it was so precise/accurate compared to TFC.

FF concs > TFC concs any day and I wish they worked the same in TFC as they do in FF. I would probably play TFC more often if that were the case.

raum · 02-09-2013, 06:50 PM

well, i think you're missing the point. which is;

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Originally Posted by raum

it doesnt really matter which timing is the "true" one

the point is to be able to conc in both games. you get used to the timings on which game you play.

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Originally Posted by raum

ppl who are used to ff timing are comfortable with ff timings, and ppl who are used to tfc are comfortable with it.

KubeDawg · 02-09-2013, 09:45 PM

I guess I'm used to both, but I hate TFC's. So I do get your point, but those who play both seem to have an easier time with FF's concs than TFC's. Also, when you duck while concing in TFC, the movement/air strafing works differently, including using a HH conc while jump/ducked at the same time where the HH conc basically becomes useless.

raum · 02-24-2013, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by raum

or maybe we can create a custom nade priming sound where it gives you exact tfc timings and that can be downloaded as an alternate to default ones..

is this possible, dear sirs?

09-13-2007, 11:36 PM	#1
wolfeh Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Audio timers The audio timers seem to be out of synch with visual/the actual click itself (the one that idicates that a grenade has been primed) Is there a way to fix this (or work around it, preferably without muting it) Cheers!

09-14-2007, 12:02 AM	#2
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	That's the whole idea, really... the visual timer is lagless, the audio ones aren't. The audio ones work in general, but on a laggy server you gotta go with the visual. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

02-04-2013, 08:42 AM	#5
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	well at the time this was written the visual timers were actually off by 0.2 of a second.. when I played without sound I noticed that and fixed it! But yeah I think the audio and visual timers are still different. I'll look into it and make a task for myself - I do look at the task list now and again. __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999)

02-04-2013, 04:58 PM	#7
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	The audio and visual timers are lagless (purely clientside) as far as I'm aware. The click is not. If the audio/visual tiemrs are out of synch, that's a bug (or an improperly timed nade timer). But I'm pretty sure they both get triggered purely client-side. Elmo would know more. EDIT: Just checked. The audio and visual timers are played client-side with zero communication with the server. __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington Last edited by squeek.; 02-04-2013 at 05:10 PM.

02-04-2013, 09:16 PM	#9
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	if you get the same conditions can you check to be certain that the visual timer is 'always correct/useful' as you seemed to state. Lag issues are generically a bit hard to test without good amounts of lag. Not looked into it this evening - still wrapping something up locally before pushing it to beta. Don't want to start on anything else just at the moment. __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999)

02-04-2013, 09:45 AM	#6
raum D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2009 Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	i dont get it. ff allows ppl to do alot of stuff that tfc doesnt (such as pressing and holding to space key to bhop, etc), but wont let you have lagless audio timers? why? ff always had tried to offer more than tfc, but this doesnt really make sense i now wonder how i managed to cj all the time i've pld ff

02-05-2013, 09:40 AM	#10
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	I was tired last night n didn't read squeeks post properly... is there still anything specifically you want me to look into around this? __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999) Last edited by Elmo; 02-05-2013 at 09:40 AM.

02-07-2013, 06:43 AM	#12
Elmo Gets tickled by FF Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Class/Position: Med Solly HW Gametype: Any/CTF Posts Rated Helpful 41 Times	When do tfc ones explode cause theyre are set to a very precise value of 3.82 seconds. Can't imagine it was any other reason than it mimicked the tfc explosion... __________________ Support FF: Done: ff_monkey Done: ff_bases Done: ff_warpath Forever Doing: ff_medieval (beta#99999999)

02-07-2013, 08:48 PM	#13
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	I think he means you have to jump earlier in TFC, which is certianly true. In FF you get max height if you jump at the exact moment the conc explodes, in TFC that's not the case (you need to jump earlier). I'm not sure why that is (meaning what makes it that way in TFC). __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington

02-08-2013, 11:15 AM	#14
raum D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2009 Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 1 Times	cant really figure which conc is more accurate, but thats not the confusion or even important anyway. ppl who are used to ff timing are comfortable with ff timings, and ppl who are used to tfc are comfortable with it. it doesnt really matter which timing is the "true" one i have tried to play ff again after a while, and timings are quite different; which made alotof confusion for me. and since we cannot make changes with tfc(or can we?), maybe we can adopt ff's timings to tfc, so that ppl who play both games dont get fucked up while switching games. would that fuck every ff players game up? (i hope not) or maybe we can create a custom nade priming sound where it gives you exact tfc timings instead of changing the whole thing for sake of ff-only players, is that possible? and that can be downloaded as an alternate to default ones.. btw ive been talking only about the audio timers, since i dont think anyone uses visual ones while there are a lot going on in screen :P (im sure visual timers are useful for new players) Last edited by raum; 02-08-2013 at 11:21 AM.

02-08-2013, 07:48 PM	#15
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	I absolutely hated the timer in TFC. Coming from a background of playing hundreds of concmaps in TFC over the years, I hated that you couldn't prime a 2nd conc immediately after the first and the timer itself felt off. When FF was released, I was like OH THANK GOD they've addressed this and fell in love with concing in FF because it was so precise/accurate compared to TFC. FF concs > TFC concs any day and I wish they worked the same in TFC as they do in FF. I would probably play TFC more often if that were the case. __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete

02-09-2013, 09:45 PM	#17
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	I guess I'm used to both, but I hate TFC's. So I do get your point, but those who play both seem to have an easier time with FF's concs than TFC's. Also, when you duck while concing in TFC, the movement/air strafing works differently, including using a HH conc while jump/ducked at the same time where the HH conc basically becomes useless. __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete

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