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Even with legal trade of guns from foreign countries yields a lot of money for the goverment.
If a government truly wanted to abolish gun crime, they would stop manufacturing guns and boycott all foreign trade of guns. People always bring up the constitution when talking about their right to own a gun, well that constitution is soo out date it's absurd to keep falling back on that. I say if you want to keep falling back on that, fine, but it should be regarded then from the time it was written. If you want to own a gun, then you have the right to own a musket. You say no one forces you to buy guns, true enough, but then again nobody is truly making an attempt to stop the sale of guns either, because there's too much money in it. It's pretty simple logic actually, no guns = no gun crimes. Obviously no government can stop it completely, especially given the mass amount of guns already out there. But the only people out there that should be allowed guns are hunters, farmers (hunting rifles/shotguns only), and on duty cops. Anyone off duty (miltary or police) shouldn't need to carry one around. And there sure as hell shouldn't be a need for AverageJoe99 living in a 20 story apartment block down town in a city to own/carry a hand gun. The valid reason he can give to owning one, is to "feel safe" why? Cause criminals have guns, why? Cause the government enjoys the profit from legal/illegal sales of guns too much to actually fight the ignorant population that cries "Unconstitutional, when it's even mentioned to out right ban guns". People who want to own a gun just to own a gun, are just retarded and need to grow a brain and realize they're part of the reason gun crime is soo high, cause if it weren't for them it would be far more difficult for criminals to aquire guns. It's a vicious circle that you created all on your own, and it would take some pretty powerfull radical people to break that circle, and that's something the world truly lacks in today's age. Last edited by Hammock; 01-18-2011 at 03:24 PM. |
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With these facts, I don't see how you could really be that opposed to firearms? After all, if you put a gun in the hands of a 90 pound 5 foot-tall woman, she'd be able to better defend herself from a 200 pound, 6 foot-tall man more effectively than not having a gun. Guns are an equalizer, and on the flipside of the same coin, they are also dangerous. However, it's clear to me that guns, while they hold potential for great damage, are also complicit in making people safer. You can't depend on police, as we learned pretty well this Saturday. The police and EMS took 25 minutes to show up to the rampage on Saturday.
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The simple fact is, the problem isn't GUNS, the problem is CRIME. If someone is going to commit a crime, a gun is merely a tool in the crime. If someone is going to commit pre-meditated assault, and they have no access to a gun, they'll just pick from the wide array of other weapons available to him, from a rock to a pole, to his bare fist. Guns are just convenient. Guns are easily concealable, and they don't require you to be in their face, but again, the only difference between a gun and a crowbar, is convenience. If someone intends to kill you, for whatever reason, being denied access to guns isn't going to stop them. It'll just motivate them to get more up-close and personal with a hard object. Outlawing guns is like playing whac-a-mole, pure and simple. You *think* you're fixing a problem, when you're really not. Sure, you can draw up a fancy little chart showing that crimes involving the use of a gun are declining, meanwhile overall crime rates are staying the same, or potentially rising, like we've seen in virtually all countries that outlaw guns. It seems you anti-gun people are more afraid of crimes being committed with a gun, than a crime being committed at all. You guys are throwing away the baby with the bathwater.
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Yeah, well that's fallacious; It's wishful thinking. The unfortunate facts are: Crime is inevitable, and criminals will inevitably get their hands on guns. Criminals don't follow laws, that's what makes them criminals, so stacking on gun regulations after gun regulations just means robbing the honest man his ability to defend himself legally from those two inevitable facts of life. In short: Be a fucking realist here, Hammock. Please. No more wishful thinking fallacious utopian thoughts. Consider the here and now.
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The simple fact, is that prohibitionism and interventionism never work whenever they're applied. From economic markets, to social problems like guns or drugs, it will never work, despite perceived 'successes' in anomalous examples in some European country, or whatever.
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01-18-2011, 10:30 PM | #28 |
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It bothers me that people think the constitution is outdated. Especially given the immense power and global reach of the US government. Of course it's easy too think that when you aren't within it's influence.
A side of affect of that freedom and ANY freedom is abuse. Abuse doesn't make documents such as the constitution and bill of rights outdated. And when we as a PEOPLE decide it's outdated we will change it. Not from the federal government prohibiting something but from state intervention. Until then if you try and rob someone near a convenience store you just might get some crazy fucktard itching to shoot you. They used to call that darwinism.
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Yea, I don't understand that either. It's not like the Constitution is esoteric or anything, it's not a primer on internal medicine from 1776 or anything. I mean, saying you disagree with the Constitution is one thing, but saying it's outdated is another. The idea behind it is pretty simple. I'm no Constitutionalist or Conservative, and I think the Constitution is flawed, but I also realize the virtue and the reasoning behind the Founders and their thinking behind our form of Government.
Most people don't even understand the Constitution, or our form of Government. They think that the Constitution is like any other charter, where rights are apportioned to the Government, whereas our Constitution is telling the Government what it can't do. I think it's more ironic than anything when someone from a country that is ruled by a Monarchy says that our form of Government is outdated.
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I think people put too much weight on the word "conservative".
The media has made "conservative" thinking some evil taboo associated solely with christian fundamentalism and whack job radio hosts. Mostly by whack job fuckstards on MSN etc. By defending the constitution you are conservative by definition. You wish to conserve the ideology of it's original purpose.
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You didn't really respond to my post. I am questioning the fact that the article doesn't make sense, which it doesn't. More to your point, I believe that "Criminals have guns" is a stupid reason to own a gun as well. In any realistic situation for myself owning a gun wouldn't help me avoid getting shot. However, it sin't this way everywhere. Some states and areas are far away from police. The problem with the argument however, is the logic in that the situation can be solved by two people shooting each other. Ultimately, my real issue with removing guns from the population is simply that if we do so, there's no real evidence to show it would help. I think it would only distract people temporarily from the issue of gun violence and the violent sect of america would simply move to another weapon in order to cause harm. Since the core issue isn't with the weapon itself then taking that weapon away wouldn't make the problem go away. Instead of a shooting we have a bombing since it is incredibly easy to make a bomb these days. The information is also unfortunately available very easily. As a nation our focus should be to solve the problem at the root and then expand rather than attack the symptom. |
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Digging through my bookmarks, found that link I was talking about that I'd said I'd post.
http://www.thegovmonitor.com/world_n...ves-42474.html
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The solution is to ban knives.
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When you say "gun crime" are you talking about crimes where death occurs? The reason I ask is that crimes involving loss of life end up being more consistently tabulated as not every mugging victim reports the crime. Assuming you're referring to murder and homicide I think you're going to have a hard time finding any solid statistic that supports your initial statement.
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