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Old 10-06-2012, 07:51 PM   #41
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Their public servers are not the point. They helped to keep the development side of FF alive/running smoothly for years. That deserves gratitude no matter what.
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:14 PM   #42
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The servers are the point though. Even though they did some good with regards to the development side of FF, some people feel the bad they did far outweighed the good and that bad had a lot to do with how they run their servers.
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:52 PM   #43
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Those people are wrong.
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Lol, no motos right, this game would be way better off if it were an unsupported underdeveloped p.o.s.
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Old 10-07-2012, 03:15 PM   #45
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The servers are the point though. Even though they did some good with regards to the development side of FF, some people feel the bad they did far outweighed the good and that bad had a lot to do with how they run their servers.
They gave hosting to FF for many years,while their public server rules were a bit on the side of 'really?', they still get a thank you from me. They have spent a good amount of money helping out.
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Old 10-07-2012, 10:33 PM   #46
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Their public servers are not the point. They helped to keep the development side of FF alive/running smoothly for years. That deserves gratitude no matter what.
End of discussion, really.
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:39 AM   #47
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This isn't a thing you can have an opinion on. Scuzzy and the O-T clan have helped tremendously in the development of FF. They ran the beta server from pre-release until July 2010, among other things.
We all know that if OT wasn't there providing website hosting and server hosting any number of people would have stepped up. I know TALOS would have donated a server or two, and I know chaunbot worked at a hosting company or something like that, and had access to servers. I know he lent/gave a server to Medic (from Talos). My biggest beef with OT was that they tried to bring the inclusiveness they had in their own server/community into the broader FF community (on people who didn't want it, at all). If they had provided servers (which aren't/weren't expensive) and just shut their mouths, and didn't try and run things behind the scenes, then I know I wouldn't have made such a big deal about it. That wasn't the case, though.

Edit: By the way, happy anniversary. I tried to get in a few moments of playtime today on the TALOS server, with some success.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:23 PM   #48
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It's not just servers. Scuzzy did a lot with regards to linking the dev and beta forums to the SVN, integrating the feedback/bugtrack system for beta users, scripted stuff for better remote operability of the beta server and so on and so forth. So, regardless of whatever else happened, OT definitely deserve a mention and a "thank you" in an anniversay thread.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:15 PM   #49
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Plus, it's not about who could have helped. It's about who did. Scuzzy and O-T did. And I for one appreciate it.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:57 PM   #50
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:58 PM   #51
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Because that's totally analogous.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:49 PM   #52
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Cant have a single conversation that simply mentions OT without people grabbing the torches and pitchforks...
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Indeed. A very controversial topic, I suppose, because the entity of OT can be seen as good in some respects and bad in others, and thus -- being a two-sided coin -- it can sometimes be hard to see both sides at once.

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Old 10-10-2012, 08:11 PM   #54
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And you would think that in a topic such as this, people would just be respectful enough to not get things started?
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And you would think that in a topic such as this, people would just be respectful enough to not get things started?
They deserve all the shit they get.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:37 PM   #56
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Right. But not in here Moosh. Sometimes its' best just to put tape over your mouth.
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:09 AM   #57
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just hád to log in to say happy b-day FF.

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Old 10-12-2012, 01:32 AM   #58
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Hai bliss! bliss_2fort still gets played occasionally!

To sum up the situation, no OT would've meant no site/beta hosting/bandwidth for years, or at least a struggle to find support. Yet having the most active pub server run by creepy authoritarian nut-jobs has undoubtedly put off many a new player, effectively negating large amounts of effort by the community and dev team to attract said newbies.

In short, you lose no matter what you do. I feel like that has been the case way too often in the FF community.
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Steam Greenlight, a last hope?
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Old 10-16-2012, 04:17 PM   #60
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Right. But not in here Moosh.

wat

could you elaborate?
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