Are my fortresses too close?

cfive · 12-23-2008, 06:03 AM

I'm trying to make my map as dissimilar monkey as possible, here's what I have:

Are they too close?

Hawk Eye · 12-23-2008, 06:36 AM

It depends on what you mean by "too close".

Close bases will have huge effects on the game play. Since there isn't a long yard, sniper will be used less, but so will medic/scout. Medic/scout will probably be replaced with heavier classes since the yard distance is shortened.

cfive · 12-23-2008, 06:37 AM

I see. Thanks for the input! Basically, I'm trying to keep the map from being one big chokepoint like monkey is. Thanks!

OneManArmy · 12-23-2008, 01:20 PM

That screenshot hurts my eyes.

[AE] 82694 · 12-23-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OneManArmy

That I hurts my eyes when I look in the mirror.

Fixed.
Also that screen shot is unfinished he still needs to do a lot of stuff before it's final so ease up.

It all depends on what your going for.

1) Pub play?
2) 5v5
3) 8v8

All different types of play.

**squeek.** · 12-23-2008, 07:42 PM

Looks like a combination of bases and monkey.

Sh4x · 12-23-2008, 09:24 PM

May I suggest you at least put the skybox texture instead of tiles in the sky? Takes like, 5 seconds and your map is gonna look a hundred times better right away. It's probably going to help you better design the rest of it too.

**Crazycarl** · 12-23-2008, 09:52 PM

Put them closer. I mean, mash them up against each other. Yards lead to yard DM. And the fact that your yard is just a flat plain means it will be boring DM.

cfive · 12-23-2008, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh4x

May I suggest you at least put the skybox texture instead of tiles in the sky? Takes like, 5 seconds and your map is gonna look a hundred times better right away. It's probably going to help you better design the rest of it too.

Maybe, but I'm kind of liking the dystopian underground parking garage aesthetic.

cfive · 12-23-2008, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazycarl

Put them closer. I mean, mash them up against each other. Yards lead to yard DM. And the fact that your yard is just a flat plain means it will be boring DM.

That should work, the only thing I'm worried about is scouts concing from balcony to balcony, I'll definately check it out.

Iggy · 12-24-2008, 12:11 AM

You know, you may want to put a tower up and back from the front entrances.... in case snipers may want to take up residence. The front of the base would probably cover most if not all of the yard, so snipers could concentrate on each other.

Doughnut-4|4- · 12-24-2008, 05:33 AM

Ya want to avoid a choke then make spaces and entry's bigger with multiple routes.

I wouldn't call Monkey's yard a choke. 2fort is probably a worse choke or ss_nyx I think it's called from TFC. Hell even Redgiant's yard has more of a choke than Monkey. Or how about Well frontdoor.

If you want to know how a map is going to be exploited, choked and defended... you're going to have to show us the entire design realistically.

cfive · 12-24-2008, 05:31 PM

Sure thing! I'll make a video later.

cfive · 12-24-2008, 05:55 PM

My screen recorder didn't work, could someone point me in the direction of something I can use to make a video of my map?

Sh4x · 12-24-2008, 06:14 PM

fraps

cfive · 12-24-2008, 06:43 PM

*puts on sunglasses*

I'm on it!

*spy music plays*

cfive · 12-24-2008, 07:14 PM

Ok, I have my movies, but everything has been against me in the battle that is uploading them, I'll try again in a few hours

Firefox11 · 12-24-2008, 08:26 PM

Have you tried using WeGame, both for recording and uploading?

cfive · 12-24-2008, 09:12 PM

No, I'll have to check it out.Also, I probably won't have the videos until after Christmas, so until then, happy holidays everyone!

Doughnut-4|4- · 12-26-2008, 04:47 PM

I'd say just throw up the vmf and i'll look it over but i'm actually going out of town so see ya in a week or two!

12-23-2008, 06:03 AM	#1
cfive Join Date: Aug 2008 Class/Position: Loony guy Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Are my fortresses too close? I'm trying to make my map as dissimilar monkey as possible, here's what I have: Are they too close?

12-23-2008, 07:42 PM	#6
squeek. Stuff Do-er Lua Team Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern California Class/Position: Rallygun Shooter Gametype: Conc tag (you just wait) Affiliations: Mustache Brigade Posts Rated Helpful 352 Times	Looks like a combination of bases and monkey. __________________ #FF.Pickup ¤ Fortress-Forever pickups My Non-official Maps Released FF_DM_Squeek - FF_2Mesa3_Classic - FF_Siege_Classic Beta FF_Myth - FF_Redlight_Greenlight Sick of the people on the internet, always moanin'. They just moan. - Karl Pilkington

12-23-2008, 09:52 PM	#8
Crazycarl D&A Member Wiki Team Fortress Forever Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 31 Times	Put them closer. I mean, mash them up against each other. Yards lead to yard DM. And the fact that your yard is just a flat plain means it will be boring DM. __________________ Support FF:

12-23-2008, 06:36 AM	#2
Hawk Eye Who the fuck is this guy? D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Class/Position: O Preferred Gametype: AvD Affiliations: [AE] Asseaters Posts Rated Helpful 2 Times	It depends on what you mean by "too close". Close bases will have huge effects on the game play. Since there isn't a long yard, sniper will be used less, but so will medic/scout. Medic/scout will probably be replaced with heavier classes since the yard distance is shortened.

12-23-2008, 06:37 AM	#3
cfive Join Date: Aug 2008 Class/Position: Loony guy Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I see. Thanks for the input! Basically, I'm trying to keep the map from being one big chokepoint like monkey is. Thanks!

12-23-2008, 01:20 PM	#4
OneManArmy Ka-boom! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ukraine Class/Position: Demo, Solly, Pyro Gametype: CTF Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	That screenshot hurts my eyes.

12-23-2008, 09:24 PM	#7
Sh4x Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	May I suggest you at least put the skybox texture instead of tiles in the sky? Takes like, 5 seconds and your map is gonna look a hundred times better right away. It's probably going to help you better design the rest of it too.

12-24-2008, 05:33 AM	#12
Doughnut-4\|4- Join Date: May 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Ya want to avoid a choke then make spaces and entry's bigger with multiple routes. I wouldn't call Monkey's yard a choke. 2fort is probably a worse choke or ss_nyx I think it's called from TFC. Hell even Redgiant's yard has more of a choke than Monkey. Or how about Well frontdoor. If you want to know how a map is going to be exploited, choked and defended... you're going to have to show us the entire design realistically.

12-24-2008, 05:31 PM	#13
cfive Join Date: Aug 2008 Class/Position: Loony guy Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Sure thing! I'll make a video later.

12-24-2008, 05:55 PM	#14
cfive Join Date: Aug 2008 Class/Position: Loony guy Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	My screen recorder didn't work, could someone point me in the direction of something I can use to make a video of my map?

12-24-2008, 06:14 PM	#15
Sh4x Retired FF Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	fraps

12-24-2008, 06:43 PM	#16
cfive Join Date: Aug 2008 Class/Position: Loony guy Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	puts on sunglasses I'm on it! spy music plays

12-24-2008, 07:14 PM	#17
cfive Join Date: Aug 2008 Class/Position: Loony guy Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Ok, I have my movies, but everything has been against me in the battle that is uploading them, I'll try again in a few hours

12-24-2008, 08:26 PM	#18
Firefox11 Join Date: Dec 2007 Class/Position: O&D: Pyro, Sniper Gametype: AvD Affiliations: FF.AvD [FF AvD/ID guild] Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Have you tried using WeGame, both for recording and uploading?

12-24-2008, 09:12 PM	#19
cfive Join Date: Aug 2008 Class/Position: Loony guy Gametype: Capture the Flag Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	No, I'll have to check it out.Also, I probably won't have the videos until after Christmas, so until then, happy holidays everyone!

12-26-2008, 04:47 PM	#20
Doughnut-4\|4- Join Date: May 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I'd say just throw up the vmf and i'll look it over but i'm actually going out of town so see ya in a week or two!

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