pub simulation idea

chilledsanity · 07-16-2010, 11:08 PM

I've been told that many ideas I consider huge balance problems somehow worked in beta testing. I've been told it's impossible to simulate a pub environment, but I had some ideas that you may want to consider the next time you test things to better simulate real world gameplay (at least for AvD):

-Have at least one person on each team play an inappropriate class (D scout, O heavy, etc.)

-Have someone either intentionally run the flag backwards at least once or else skip a cap point entirely for maps it applies.

-Have medics never drop medkits, even with teammates shouting

-Have at least 25% of the players use no move assists or jump.

-Have some games where scouts never use jumppads. Have other games where you have 4 scouts using jumppads.

-Have some games with at least half of O playing as soldier

This may sound ludicrous, but this stuff happens frequently in pub games, ESPECIALLY people who don't jump or use move assists. I think if you mixed people intentionally playing like this with players who know exactly what they're doing, you might get a better simulation of what the game is like in pubs.

Bridget · 07-17-2010, 06:01 AM

The Beta Team should just make things work initially. They should balance things out generally, try to iron out any problems with it, but the real testing should be done by the public. This requires rolling out patches more frequently. The Team Fortress devs do this. No matter how much their beta team tests a weapon, the public almost always finds a problem with it and it ends up getting nerfed or buffed or changed a bit with the fix-patches that come out after major updates and between them.

**squeek.** · 07-18-2010, 06:51 AM

Is that you volunteering to get the patches together (making the code branches, testing the compiled code from the branches, packing RCs, making the installers, etc)?

CHURCHMOUTH · 07-18-2010, 04:34 PM

Ill do it!

07-16-2010, 11:08 PM	#1
chilledsanity D&A Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Gametype: AvD, I/D, waterpolo, hunted Posts Rated Helpful 6 Times	pub simulation idea I've been told that many ideas I consider huge balance problems somehow worked in beta testing. I've been told it's impossible to simulate a pub environment, but I had some ideas that you may want to consider the next time you test things to better simulate real world gameplay (at least for AvD): -Have at least one person on each team play an inappropriate class (D scout, O heavy, etc.) -Have someone either intentionally run the flag backwards at least once or else skip a cap point entirely for maps it applies. -Have medics never drop medkits, even with teammates shouting -Have at least 25% of the players use no move assists or jump. -Have some games where scouts never use jumppads. Have other games where you have 4 scouts using jumppads. -Have some games with at least half of O playing as soldier This may sound ludicrous, but this stuff happens frequently in pub games, ESPECIALLY people who don't jump or use move assists. I think if you mixed people intentionally playing like this with players who know exactly what they're doing, you might get a better simulation of what the game is like in pubs.

07-18-2010, 06:51 AM	#3
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07-18-2010, 04:34 PM	#4
CHURCHMOUTH crystaLcity D&A Member Beta Tester Join Date: May 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Class/Position: Soldier D Gametype: Capture the Flag Affiliations: Goodfellas Posts Rated Helpful 7 Times	Ill do it! __________________ 83745 L0LZ ff_nyx_b2 ff_schrape_b3 ff_security_b1 ff_baked_b2 ff_reloaded_b1 ff_mulch_dm_b2 ff_oppose_b1

07-17-2010, 06:01 AM	#2
Bridget Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Class/Position: Soldier Gametype: AVD Affiliations: TALOS Posts Rated Helpful 5 Times	The Beta Team should just make things work initially. They should balance things out generally, try to iron out any problems with it, but the real testing should be done by the public. This requires rolling out patches more frequently. The Team Fortress devs do this. No matter how much their beta team tests a weapon, the public almost always finds a problem with it and it ends up getting nerfed or buffed or changed a bit with the fix-patches that come out after major updates and between them.

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