What happened to the engineer!? - Page 5

KubeDawg · 11-24-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Credge

Part of the problem with that, despite it being a very simple solution, is that FF is much faster. Despite the TFC SG being good, it wouldn't be good with the speeds we see now. Yeah, some tweaking is needed, but that's the kind of stuff that has put the SG in its current spot.

The only thing that we can take from TFC that will work with the SG in this is the lock mechanic. Everything else, from turret turn speed to rate of fire, to damage done, has got to be changed. The reason is the speed of the game.

This I can agree with. FF is a faster game, but I think that keeping the same mechanical principles that TFC had would be beneficial even just to test. The tracking speed should work similarly to TFC's but it should rotate faster as the overall speed of the game is increased. Damage it does as well as it's HP should be higher.

Credge · 11-24-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KubeDawg

This I can agree with. FF is a faster game, but I think that keeping the same mechanical principles that TFC had would be beneficial even just to test. The tracking speed should work similarly to TFC's but it should rotate faster as the overall speed of the game is increased. Damage it does as well as it's HP should be higher.

The only real mechanical difference would be lock rate and turn speed, and the only value that we could solidly take from TFC is the lock rate. Everything else has got to be changed and tweaked similarly to how things have been doing for a few patches.

Nuk3m · 11-24-2008, 09:04 PM

I think the problem was that you guys were trying to fix a lot of things that werent broken and ended up making it worse. if we were to just go back to the 2.0 values, and start from there, because right now a lot of the playerbase (all of what... 10 people?) believe your implementation and execution of the 2.1 sg was flawed. I actually just ran into an old online buddy who i used to play TFC with, who told me he played FF for the last two months, and felt the SG was completely retarded. his steam name is selmir if you want to ask him yourself. i actually ran into him on GoW on my xbox. kind of funny.

Credge · 11-25-2008, 04:46 AM

2.0 values were broken and buggy. Going back to them would be like going back to 1.0 for the heavy.

Right now what the pub players are experiencing are what competitive players experienced for all of 2.0. You know, just about an entire year of the stuff. I'm not saying that it's acceptable that anyone go through this but reverting back to how it was is not an acceptable solution.

FYI: We're probably going to go to TFC values before going back to 2.0 values.

CatzEyes93 · 11-25-2008, 06:55 PM

IN all this, I think if it was not understood before, then now more than ever the fan base starts to truely understand the difficulties that the dev team have had to deal with from the beginning. It is a fine balance to the ecosystem and any small change could turn us all into fish or monkeys instead of humans.

Wait... wut are we talking about again?

tu! · 11-25-2008, 09:40 PM

how is the playerbase of this game now? better or worse than before?

KubeDawg · 11-25-2008, 09:44 PM

Better. Now go play.

tu! · 11-25-2008, 09:50 PM

when is 2.2 coming out?

KubeDawg · 11-25-2008, 09:57 PM

When it's finished. Now lets go play some FF 2.1!

Nuk3m · 11-26-2008, 04:40 AM

tu lol... i heard you were killed in a car accident? wtf? is someone ghosting his account?

Everything · 11-26-2008, 03:43 PM

Why be so mean to tu! all the time? If he was a opinion about a game, so be it.

Nuk3m · 11-26-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny

Why be so mean to tu! all the time? If he was a opinion about a game, so be it.

but im not joking!

Everything · 11-26-2008, 04:29 PM

Ignore what I just said, I must of been on something.

.50bmg · 12-03-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ihmhi

The best common tactic for building a SG is currently:

1) Build Level 1 SG.
2) Overcharge your railgun to get 40 cells, and build a dispenser.
3) Grab a bag to get more cells OR overcharge your railgun a few times to get more cells - whichever is more convenient.
4) Use newly acquired cells to upgrade SG to Level 2.
5) By this time, the Dispenser should have enough cells in it to upgrade to Level 3.

I <3 you ihmhi... but starting with 200 cells, build the dispenser first, then touch it. you will now have 130 cells. build a level 1 sg hit it to put ammo in it. then run to resupply. With 200 more cells, hit the sentry gun twice, overcharge your railgun once, and touch your dispenser twice while overcharging. Upgrde your gun with a single hit. You will now have 20 ish shotgun shells, a level 3, with 40% ammo and a dispenser with cells in the mid 30's range. enough to use for a det on a scout, or an injured medic.

KubeDawg · 12-03-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by .50bmg

I <3 you ihmhi... but starting with 200 cells, build the dispenser first, then touch it. you will now have 130 cells. build a level 1 sg hit it to put ammo in it. then run to resupply.

Yeah I just realized you can do that a few days ago. Very nifty.

Circuitous · 12-03-2008, 06:56 PM

I actually made a crappy video of that before 2.1 came out.

Iggy · 12-04-2008, 12:57 AM

ENGLISH, MAN!!! ENGLISH!

KubeDawg · 12-04-2008, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Circuitous

I actually made a crappy video of that before 2.1 came out.

Yeah but the music was so gay, I closed the video.

Circuitous · 12-04-2008, 09:16 PM

Well, at least you skipped it for a completely not retarded reason and don't have bad music taste.

Everything · 12-04-2008, 11:35 PM

I honestly didn't mind it, what band? Or was it just some random music clip?

11-25-2008, 04:46 AM	#84
Credge FF Loremaster Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 4 Times	2.0 values were broken and buggy. Going back to them would be like going back to 1.0 for the heavy. Right now what the pub players are experiencing are what competitive players experienced for all of 2.0. You know, just about an entire year of the stuff. I'm not saying that it's acceptable that anyone go through this but reverting back to how it was is not an acceptable solution. FYI: We're probably going to go to TFC values before going back to 2.0 values. __________________ "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

11-25-2008, 06:55 PM	#85
CatzEyes93 Black Mesa Voice Actor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	IN all this, I think if it was not understood before, then now more than ever the fan base starts to truely understand the difficulties that the dev team have had to deal with from the beginning. It is a fine balance to the ecosystem and any small change could turn us all into fish or monkeys instead of humans. Wait... wut are we talking about again? __________________ ___________________ Random Thoughts Only CatzEyes93.com

11-25-2008, 09:44 PM	#87
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	Better. Now go play. __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete

11-25-2008, 09:57 PM	#89
KubeDawg Nade Whore Server Owner Beta Tester Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oklahoma Class/Position: Scout/Soldier Gametype: CTF/TDM Affiliations: blunt. Moto Posts Rated Helpful 128 Times	When it's finished. Now lets go play some FF 2.1! __________________ Moto's Funhouse \| Dallas, TX - 74.91.114.247:27015 ff_plunder - Complete

12-03-2008, 06:56 PM	#96
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	I actually made a crappy video of that before 2.1 came out. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

11-24-2008, 09:04 PM	#83
Nuk3m Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Jersey, USA! Class/Position: Scout / Offense Gametype: Capture the Flag Affiliations: :e0: Founder Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I think the problem was that you guys were trying to fix a lot of things that werent broken and ended up making it worse. if we were to just go back to the 2.0 values, and start from there, because right now a lot of the playerbase (all of what... 10 people?) believe your implementation and execution of the 2.1 sg was flawed. I actually just ran into an old online buddy who i used to play TFC with, who told me he played FF for the last two months, and felt the SG was completely retarded. his steam name is selmir if you want to ask him yourself. i actually ran into him on GoW on my xbox. kind of funny.

11-25-2008, 09:40 PM	#86
tu! Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	how is the playerbase of this game now? better or worse than before?

11-25-2008, 09:50 PM	#88
tu! Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	when is 2.2 coming out?

11-26-2008, 04:40 AM	#90
Nuk3m Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Jersey, USA! Class/Position: Scout / Offense Gametype: Capture the Flag Affiliations: :e0: Founder Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	tu lol... i heard you were killed in a car accident? wtf? is someone ghosting his account?

11-26-2008, 03:43 PM	#91
Everything This is still alive? Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Naples, FL Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Why be so mean to tu! all the time? If he was a opinion about a game, so be it.

11-26-2008, 04:29 PM	#93
Everything This is still alive? Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Naples, FL Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	Ignore what I just said, I must of been on something.

12-04-2008, 09:16 PM	#99
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	Well, at least you skipped it for a completely not retarded reason and don't have bad music taste. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

12-04-2008, 11:35 PM	#100
Everything This is still alive? Wiki Team Beta Tester Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Naples, FL Posts Rated Helpful 3 Times	I honestly didn't mind it, what band? Or was it just some random music clip?

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