Beta status - August 8, 2006 - Page 3

Circuitous · 08-09-2006, 06:59 PM

It makes sense from a fiscal point of view! Just turn the graph upside-down, and you'll see the arrow clearly points upward. Upward to profits!

Mulchman MM · 08-09-2006, 07:38 PM

Well, I'm guessing all mods that use linux primarily as their test bed server are crippled now as well.

o_mikequist · 08-09-2006, 07:44 PM

It isnt it obvious Windows is better than Linux

o_own3r · 08-09-2006, 07:46 PM

Anyway, i dont see why you dont compile maps with custom source tools then do that hack to compile the linux server as shown earlier in this thread.

**EDIT** The reason why you compile the maps with custom source tools is they compile the linux data unlike the latest tools from valve **EDIT**

Mulchman MM · 08-09-2006, 07:56 PM

Apparently there's some new thing about physics so that's no longer "allegedly" a problem (if we could only get linux to run, it compiles just fine):

Quote:

As of episode 1, the engine no longer requires linux-specific data for physics. There is a new method implemented for terrain collision in vphysics that is shared between win32 and linux. Obviously that means that you can only use the latest compile tools with mods running the latest game DLL code.

o_puppychow · 08-09-2006, 08:11 PM

just realease the Fortress Forever play at home board game to tie us over.

o_zaskar · 08-09-2006, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puppychow

just realease the Fortress Forever play at home board game to tie us over.

Yea that would go over real well :P
*rolls dice, picks up card*
"you have been nail nadded through the floor by Zaskar, and another is waiting for you soon as you spawn. You lose a turn."

o_puppychow · 08-09-2006, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaskar

Yea that would go over real well :P
*rolls dice, picks up card*
"you have been nail nadded through the floor by Zaskar, and another is waiting for you soon as you spawn. You lose a turn."

hahahaha

i want it!

o_own3r · 08-09-2006, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaskar

Yea that would go over real well :P
*rolls dice, picks up card*
"you have been nail nadded through the floor by Zaskar, and another is waiting for you soon as you spawn. You lose a turn."

o_puppychow · 08-10-2006, 12:36 AM

someone who is good at photoshop needs to put together the boxcover of "Fortress-Forever: The Board Game" stat.

Circuitous · 08-10-2006, 01:06 AM

What do you mean I can't balc-to-balc? I've got 5 ranks in Conc Jump.

o_imbrifer · 08-10-2006, 01:25 AM

So I'm confused.. does the linux problem matter anymore? Is the FF team still waiting, or was there a fix and now they're back on track? Why not just copy the maps and such to a Windows machine and run things there?

What's going on?

o_zaskar · 08-10-2006, 01:35 AM

From what i understand its not broken, but some values need to be changed before they can recompile it because valve made something with physics now be able to be compiled the same way for linux as for windows which normally they used their own diff format.. or something

o_kam · 08-10-2006, 02:04 AM

from what i gather, it basically means bsps will be smaller

o_zaskar · 08-10-2006, 02:18 AM

and most likley only 1 server file needed to host that will work for linux or windows (like for HL 1 before the whole physics shit making them separated)

o_dammage · 08-10-2006, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V00lve

The SDK was not properly tested under Linux before it was released.

Are they students from the first course?
Are they economics students with basic knowledge of BASIC?
Are they retard?

Questions over questions

One of the most important stages in software development is testing...

mirvin_monkey · 08-10-2006, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imbrifer

So I'm confused.. does the linux problem matter anymore? Is the FF team still waiting, or was there a fix and now they're back on track? Why not just copy the maps and such to a Windows machine and run things there?

What's going on?

The linux server currently crashes as soon as you load it, it's pretty terminal.

o_alligator · 08-10-2006, 11:32 AM

I hope the stuff is fixed soon.

o_ginger lord · 08-10-2006, 12:05 PM

Quick fix for displacement problems:
http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/s....php?p=2479158

This should help stop maps crashing under linux servers btw.

Quote:

SDK Does Not Compile Under Linux (Since 8/4/2006)

The SDK was not properly tested under Linux before it was released. Until a patch addresses this here is the workaround:
--- Makefile.vcpm 9 Jun 2006 04:27:20 -0000 1.3
+++ Makefile.vcpm 6 Aug 2006 19:00:54 -0000
@@ -33,7 +33,9 @@
TIER1_OBJS = \
$(TIER1_OBJ_DIR)/characterset.o \
$(TIER1_OBJ_DIR)/interface.o \
+ $(TIER1_OBJ_DIR)/generichash.o \
$(TIER1_OBJ_DIR)/KeyValues.o \
+ $(TIER1_OBJ_DIR)/stringpool.o \
$(TIER1_OBJ_DIR)/utlbuffer.o \
$(TIER1_OBJ_DIR)/utlsymbol.o \

--- Makefile 23 Jun 2006 02:42:01 -0000 1.5
+++ Makefile 6 Aug 2006 19:04:26 -0000
@@ -61,7 +61,7 @@

# the CPU target for the build, must be i486 for now
ARCH=i486
-ARCH_CFLAGS=-march=pentium -mmmx
+ARCH_CFLAGS=-march=pentium3 -mmmx -O3

# -fpermissive is so gcc 3.4.x doesn't complain about some template stuff
Also it won't compile without -O3 due to some weird inline forcing. Still investigating that bizarreness.

Although I'm sure the FF coders have seen all this.

Mulchman MM · 08-10-2006, 01:43 PM

Alright, I didn't think it could get this confusing.

Linux compiles JUST FINE. The problem is upon starting up the linux server it crashes immediately. This is the case EVEN WITH THE BASE SDK FILES (ie. you do the "create a mod from scratch" and compile that on linux and it crashes immediately when you start up the server).

As for the linux physics data in maps, that's allegedly been fixed [hlcoders message by Jay Stelly] (but of course we can't test it because we can't run linux).

And finally, we test exclusively on linux - we don't have a windows dedicated server. Playing on windows only is just dumb anyway as everything can run (& compile) just great on windows and then when you put it on linux you realize just how fucked up things are.

So, moral of the story, always test on linux (which we can't right now).

Clear?

08-09-2006, 06:59 PM	#41
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	It makes sense from a fiscal point of view! Just turn the graph upside-down, and you'll see the arrow clearly points upward. Upward to profits! __________________ Look at all those dead links.

08-09-2006, 07:38 PM	#42
Mulchman MM Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lacey, WA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Well, I'm guessing all mods that use linux primarily as their test bed server are crippled now as well. __________________ Head of the Orca Revolution (TM)

08-09-2006, 07:46 PM	#44
o_own3r Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Anyway, i dont see why you dont compile maps with custom source tools then do that hack to compile the linux server as shown earlier in this thread. EDIT The reason why you compile the maps with custom source tools is they compile the linux data unlike the latest tools from valve EDIT Last edited by o_own3r; 08-09-2006 at 07:52 PM.

08-10-2006, 01:06 AM	#51
Circuitous Useless Retired FF Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Class/Position: D Soldier, O Scout Gametype: AvD Posts Rated Helpful 9 Times	What do you mean I can't balc-to-balc? I've got 5 ranks in Conc Jump. __________________ Look at all those dead links.

08-10-2006, 01:43 PM	#60
Mulchman MM Retired FF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lacey, WA Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	Alright, I didn't think it could get this confusing. Linux compiles JUST FINE. The problem is upon starting up the linux server it crashes immediately. This is the case EVEN WITH THE BASE SDK FILES (ie. you do the "create a mod from scratch" and compile that on linux and it crashes immediately when you start up the server). As for the linux physics data in maps, that's allegedly been fixed [hlcoders message by Jay Stelly] (but of course we can't test it because we can't run linux). And finally, we test exclusively on linux - we don't have a windows dedicated server. Playing on windows only is just dumb anyway as everything can run (& compile) just great on windows and then when you put it on linux you realize just how fucked up things are. So, moral of the story, always test on linux (which we can't right now). Clear? __________________ Head of the Orca Revolution (TM)

08-09-2006, 07:44 PM	#43
o_mikequist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tampa Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	It isnt it obvious Windows is better than Linux

08-09-2006, 08:11 PM	#46
o_puppychow Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Washington DC Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	just realease the Fortress Forever play at home board game to tie us over.

08-10-2006, 12:36 AM	#50
o_puppychow Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Washington DC Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	someone who is good at photoshop needs to put together the boxcover of "Fortress-Forever: The Board Game" stat.

08-10-2006, 01:25 AM	#52
o_imbrifer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Changes every few months Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	So I'm confused.. does the linux problem matter anymore? Is the FF team still waiting, or was there a fix and now they're back on track? Why not just copy the maps and such to a Windows machine and run things there? What's going on?

08-10-2006, 01:35 AM	#53
o_zaskar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NY Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	From what i understand its not broken, but some values need to be changed before they can recompile it because valve made something with physics now be able to be compiled the same way for linux as for windows which normally they used their own diff format.. or something

08-10-2006, 02:04 AM	#54
o_kam Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	from what i gather, it basically means bsps will be smaller

08-10-2006, 02:18 AM	#55
o_zaskar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NY Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	and most likley only 1 server file needed to host that will work for linux or windows (like for HL 1 before the whole physics shit making them separated)

08-10-2006, 11:32 AM	#58
o_alligator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Posts Rated Helpful 0 Times	I hope the stuff is fixed soon.

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